On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 07:16:28AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote:
1. I am reasonably certain that this was not presented at any IETF Paris
session. There was only one session that related to spam, and that was our
Mass/DKIM one and it certainly was not presented there.
2. I do not recall hearing any mention of this proposal during the
week. Any discussions about it must have been well-hidden.
I've asked the journalist to comment on your statements, and now she
clarified that 'circulated on the IETF in Paris' here means that the
proposal has been passed to "several people" with request to comment.
She didn't say who these people are and whether and what they
commented. Apparently, just sending some private e-mails is all it
takes to get mentioned with full name and details under the headline
"IETF's new attempt against Spam".
I also had asked the authors what's new with this proposal and how it
differs from the Microsoft proposal made about 2 years ago. One of the
authors explained the main three differences between 'SAVE' and
- The Microsoft approach ("Black Penny") would not support manual
- Both sides would be required to use "Black Penny".
- It required an additional external Server.
Beyond the fact, that Microsoft's proposal is named "Penny Black" and
not "Black Penny", these statements are questionable. Under
you can see, that the Microsoft proposal indeed included puzzles for
humans and even used the same term 'Turing Test' as in the SAVE
slides. I've sent the authors this link, but didn't get any answer
I start to wonder, whether this is a hoax, fake, or any kind of
fraud. Don't need to invent anything or present at IETF, just find a
journalist who writes about a new proposal under the headline "IETF's new
attempt against Spam" and claim it has "circulated".
(Article at http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/62500 )
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