% I was not present so I could not clarify. It does seem pretty
% clear that these days, "bad-ideas" are often floated and experimented
% with in other venues and only after vetting are brought to the IETF
% for standards approval/rubber stamping.
% in my experience, plenty of bad ideas survive such "vetting".
% but those who bring them to IETF still expect the rubber stamp.
True. The point being that the IETF is becoming a "rubber-stamp" for
work already complete. This sad state of affairs is, IMHO, part of the
reason for the lack of tolerance.