Without wishing to drag this thread on yet longer...
--On Wednesday, January 23, 2002 08:49 -0800 Kyle Lussier
The entire process will certainly have an impact on the organization,
even if "certification" is never revoked. The process of developing
test specifications is slow, tedious, and about as alluring as the
prospect of writing a MIB. It tends to attract relatively few people
As I said... no test specifications. Just $100, say you are
complying, boom you have the logo and the "trust" of IETF.
US$100 is still a lot of money for some people.
*Any* amount of money may be too much for some people, especially if
they're in part of the world where wiring US$100 would be
It's up to an IETF working group to challenge that trust and
threaten to yank the logo, which is the "one true mark" of that
Is this a working group that's there just to oversee "mark value"? If so
I'm not sure I see how it would work, given the massively diverse set of
knowledge that would be required. If you mean the current working groups,
then what happens when there isn't a current working group to oversee
something that can carry a "mark"?
No one wants to be bogged down with bureaucracy, but I don't
mind filling out an application, sending in $100, and getting
the logo. If I become a bad vendor, then people in an IETF
WG can move to yank my logo. There should be a process for
the "yanking" of the logo that is very fair, and arguably
should happen over a period of time, be pretty lenient
and give vendors more than ample time to "do the right thing."
The goal here isn't to punish vendors, rather, to promote
standards, and created a trusted "one true mark" that says
you have the trust of the IETF. CIOs can use that mark
as a differentiator with products and can choose to not
buy from vendors that lose that trust...
The problem here is that while presence of logo is still pretty
meaningless, non-presence of logo is totally meaningless. If there's no
logo it can mean that the product is very very bad and doesn't work
properly, or it could equally mean that the product is perfect and the
author just hasn't done the "certification". Or is there a requirement for
folks that have had their marks pulled to instead display a logo saying