Apologies for the irony (was Re: Principles of Spam-abatement)

I apologize in advance to anyone who might see this as spamming the entire IETF list, but this may be the only way I can be sure of getting a message to Paul.  And I doubt that I'm the only one who'll appreciate the irony here.

Paul:  I don't know whether or not you want me to be able to send you personal mail -- I'd hope so, but if not please imagine for a moment that you do.  Further imagine that you *aren't* serving as your own ISP (i.e. you're not technical, you're not using the "real" Internet, you can't afford an expensive connection, whatever.)   I call you on the phone or fax you the bounce message below and ask you how I can get email to you.  What do you do?   It's a serious question, and it's not primarily about property rights, it's about our right to choose to communicate with each other.  -- Nathaniel

PS -- Are you really rejecting all mail from comcast.net?  Just curious, that's a lot of people.  And if it's guppylake.com, it would have been nice if someone had told me when I was blacklisted, seeing as how I'm the administrator.  -- Nathaniel

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon(_at_)comcast(_dot_)net>
> Date: March 12, 2004 4:06:08 PM EST
> To: <nsb(_at_)guppylake(_dot_)com>
> Subject: Returned mail: delivery problems encountered
>
> A message (from <nsb(_at_)guppylake(_dot_)com>) was received at 12 Mar 2004 21:06:05 +0000.
>
> The following addresses had delivery problems:
>
> <vixie(_at_)vix(_dot_)com>
> Permanent Failure: 553_Service_unavailable;_Client_host_[204.127.198.35]_blocked_using_reject-mail.vix.com
> Delivery last attempted at Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:06:07 -0000
> Reporting-MTA: dns; comcast.net
> Arrival-Date: 12 Mar 2004 21:06:05 +0000
>
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; <vixie(_at_)vix(_dot_)com>
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0 553_Service_unavailable;_Client_host_[204.127.198.35]_blocked_using_reject-mail.vix.com
> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; Permanent Failure: Other undefined Status
> Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:06:07 -0000
>
> From: Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb(_at_)guppylake(_dot_)com>
> Date: March 12, 2004 4:06:04 PM EST
> To: Paul Vixie <vixie(_at_)vix(_dot_)com>
> Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> Subject: Re: Principles of Spam-abatement

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