I can't parse your statement. I didn't say "assignment of IP space
__impunes__ a service". Perhaps you meant to say that your assignment of
IP address space to abusers doesn't impune the rest of your services. This
was the claim made by Media3 in Media3 v. MAPS. Media3 lost.
But assignment of IP address space does indicate a relationship. Your
denials of that relationship are frivolous. Now, as in January, a close
read of your message reveals that you didn't actually _deny_ the
relationship, you tried to convince me that there was no _proof_ of any
relationship. With regard to spam, we call such "deniable" relationships
"pink contracts". The spam-hoster tries to deny that anyone has any proof
there is a relationship with the spammer.
I'd love to be able to say you were violating you AUP, but you don't have
one published. Indeed, it is rather interesting that neither EP.NET (Bill
Manning), nor ISC.ORG (Paul Vixie) had published AUPs.
But as Media3 V. MAPS demonstrated, we can call a spade a spade. You host
abusers, we can call you abuse-friendly.
I suspect this is off-topic from the subject of abuse on DNSOP lists. I
would like to redirect anyone who would like to continue this offlist. I
will shortly put all of your January emails and you current emails
regarding EP.NET and ISC.ORG on the web under IADL.ORG (Internet
On Tue, 11 May 2004 bmanning(_at_)vacation(_dot_)karoshi(_dot_)com wrote:
assignment of IP space does not impune any other
service. Asserting otherwise is foolish. Pressing
the point, esp. in public fora, appears to be
willful ignorance. Please enjoy your blissful state.
On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 02:02:45PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote:
The following message indicates that EP.NET has assigned an IP address to
ISC.ORG. You are quite well aware of this. Dissembling will not help
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:26:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Dean Anderson <dean(_at_)av8(_dot_)com>
To: bill <bmanning(_at_)karoshi(_dot_)com>
Subject: Re: Complaint regarding www.sorbs.net (18.104.22.168) (fwd)
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, bill wrote:
I have no reason to act as your relay agent. We have no
agreement in place for me to act in this manner.
The traceroute I forwarded shows that your IP addresses 22.214.171.124 is
assigned to ISC.ORG, which typically indicates a relationship.
8 paix-gw4.isc.org (126.96.36.199) 92.828 ms 91.036 ms 91.415 ms
On Mon, 10 May 2004 bmanning(_at_)vacation(_dot_)karoshi(_dot_)com wrote:
but ISC.ORG doesn't want to take a complaint. Bill Manning, of EP.NET
(ISC.ORG upstream) says he has no contract with me to accept complaints
Dean... you are asserting a relationship that you have no
way to prove exists. Unless or until you can prove that
ep.net is an upstream for isc.org, please refrain from
making such statements. Traceroute is not your friend in
this case. Defamation works many ways.
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