The Dean Anderson fiasco has continued long enough.
This is a formal request that Anderson be asked to
cease the off-topic diatribes about a problem that
I view as of his own making.
The IETF should have no legal or moral obligation
to accede to his demands, nor should any individual
associated with IETF activities.
His negative diatribes and threats do damage to the
IETF. It is important he cease or be banned from
I have not met Mr. Anderson, but remember him quite
well from past correspondence lists such as:
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To: Yakov Shafranovich <research(_at_)solidmatrix(_dot_)com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: ICANN asks Verisign to shutdown SiteFinder
in 48 hours
From: Dean Anderson <dean(_at_)av8(_dot_)com>
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:12:02 -0400 (EDT)
I see that Verisign is complying while they "review their
Well, hopefully they are having their lawyers go over their
contracts to see if ICANN can claim it is in breach of any
contract. It would seem that they can't, having not complained
about other registries, and having not substantiated any adverse
effects to the internet. It will take some time to go through
each claim and offer a substantial proof that it is wrong. It
will be interesting to see what the lawyers say.
It was really to bad that they gave the "angry scientists and
engineers" as much credit as they did. This angry group is
basically the same bunch of Verisign bashers that have been
whining about Verisign or Network Solutions for many years, when
there are other registries that are much more deserving of
criticism. Calling them scientists and engineers gives too much
credit because real scientists and engineers deal in facts. I
would use another term.
I for one hope that SiteFinder will come back, and I wish
Verisign good luck.
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On Tuesday, June 22, 2004, 4:22:49 PM, Dean wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 Valdis(_dot_)Kletnieks(_at_)vt(_dot_)edu wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:43:23 EDT, Dean Anderson said:
Mr. Vixie's obvious malice for Av8 Internet is plain to see,
As is the fact that the feelings appear to be mutual....
One never appreciates being publicly disparaged, defamed, or harrassed,
but it is incorrect to assume that just because I have been attacked, that
I harbor malice for that person. Rather, I feel sorry for someone who is
presumably in his 40's and resorts to name-calling. Such unsocialization
or immaturity must be debilitating. I pray for them. This does not mean
that I will silently accept such treatment, nor does it mean I will not
assert my rights and privileges to object to such treatment.
Besids Mr. Vixie's on-list comments, there is his involvement in the
defamatory and misleading statements about Av8 Internet's IP address
space. Long ago, and for other reasons, I came to believe that defamation
results in a short term loss for the defamed and a short term gain for the
defamer, but a long term gain for the defamed and a long term loss for the
defamer. Lies are always exposed as lies and liars are always exposed as
liars. This is particularly appropriate as the UN meets today to discuss
anti-semitism, which is also spread by defamation. The defamed may be
saddened and harmed while being defamed, but have solace in the fact that
history will eventually right the wrong: It always has. It always will.
This doesn't mean one should be complacent. Everyone should stand up to
I have made efforts to make my criticisms professional and accurate, and
not to allow myself to degenerate into name-calling. Persons who behave
badly and call other people names deserve criticism. While everyone may
be fallible from time to time in overheated discussion, some people seem
to have no control or compuction whatsoever. I have tried to make sure
that my criticisms meet the standard of cool and detached professionalism.
Mr. Vixie's comments ("loons", "trolls", "dv8", "least technical person on
the list" do not meet that standard.
But I note that you have not amoung those who have posted messages calling
for Mr. Vixie to "take a break" before calling other people names. Is it
that you have become accustomed to his behavior or do you hold me to a
services to customers. However, it is unclear what Mr. Vixie's expertise
is actually in, other than name-calling, and making disparaging
alterations on another companies trademarks. I have seen little else.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Not exactly. Questioning someone's expertise is quite a bit different
than declaring someone else to be "the least technical person on the
list". I did the former, Mr. Vixie did the latter. The former is
reasonable and appropriate, the latter isn't.
Questioning Mr. Vixie's expertise is not unreasonable nor inappropriate in
the light of his last several disparaging remarks not only about myself
and subsequently my company, and also Mr. Vixies inappropriate
name-calling of other people. I note that the Chair has also failed to
chastise these other inappropriate comments by Mr. Vixie.
I am aware of Mr. Vixie's past involvement in DNS and his operation of a
Root nameserver, yet just recently he diverted attention from genuine
questions raised by several people about Root Anycast to a personal attack
on several of the participants. This does not seem to be appropriate for
a trusted person in DNS or Root server operations, and leads to questions
about professionalism, responsibility, maturity, and and ultimately, trust
in his expertise in that area. The name-calling raises further questions
about whether we can trust Mr. Vixie's assurances. This is also not a
personal attack: Such questions are valid, have been raised by several
people, and have gone unanswered except for name-calling.
Av8 Internet, Inc
Date: 19 May 2004 22:16:36 +0000
From: Paul Vixie <vixie(_at_)vix(_dot_)com>
Subject: Re: Root Anycast
there are two things that i think it's important that everybody
first, anyone who posts from roll accounts like "info(_at_)utel(_dot_)net
tends to be dismissed as a troll.
second, anyone who seriously uses the term "legacy DNS root" tends to be
dismissed as a loon.
i now return control of your television set to the loons and trolls...
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