I said this: if IETF wants to know what form of patent license will be
acceptable to the open-source community, the people to ask are Richard
Stallman (representing FSF) and myself (representing OSI).
Between us (and especially if we agree), I believe we can speak *with
regard to this question* for 95% of the open-source community. This
does not make either of us power-mad dictators intent on domination,
just most peoples' recognized experts on what constitutes an
acceptable open-source license.
If either Mr. Schryer or yourself chooses not to be considered part
of that "most people", fine -- the fact remains there are an awful damn lot
of developers expecting RMS and myself to *do* *this* *job* so they don't
That works fine for the membership of your organization. It is great
they have entrusted this job to you. Congratulations.
You may be missing a fundamental thing, however. The IETF has *no members*
and, despite an impressive org chart and lots of titles, *participants*
in the process tend to bristle when anybody presumes to speak on behalf
of *the IETF.* We deliverately have a long, slow process based on
group consensus and working code. By working code I mean every idea
gets implemented so we can see how they work. That's the ideal anyway.
Cripes. It'd be easier trying to serve a gang of baboons, sometimes...
Well, yes, perhaps we are a gang of baboons. You've got a church model
of open source with you as pope. That's fine. People are free to worship
anyway they'd like. But, why don't you head over to the bazaar and
see how the rest of us live?
Your baboon analogy is sort of on the mark, however (see ). It might not
like we know what we're doing, but if we all keep on typing, maybe somebody
will get lucky. Perhaps not as well structured as you'd like, but the results
speak for themselves.
So, if you don't like the IPR policy, all you can really do is type
up an internet-draft with your ideas. Maybe you'll get lucky. But,
you're not going to get very far sending yourself or any other church
officials in to negotiate with a bunch of baboons. To us, you're just
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