Hi Ted -
I've tried to stay out of this, since there has been too much comment.
But, I'd like to amplify your point and some others I've heard.
1. I'm offended by Todd's repeated implication that Brian has lied
to the IETF. That is an ad hominen attack and goes well beyond
the stated purpose of this mailing list.
2. If somebody wants to change the way the nomcom process works,
they should do what we did when the system was put in place: write
a document and get consensus. The IETF is all about running code,
and that includes "business processes." An I-D is the first step.
Repeated attempts to bypass the process (e.g., by making up policy
on the fly and posting it to the IETF list instead of writing an
I-D) goes well beyond the stated purpose of this mailing list.
3. Repeated threats of legal actions, invocations of Jorge, and
other tactics meant to bully participants do not qualify as
reasoned discourse and do not contribute to the stated purpose
of this mailing list.
I would encourage our sergeant at arms and our leadership to take
more active steps to keep discussion on the general mailing list
on track. At the very least, discussants should be actively enouraged
to move their discourse to more specialized mailing lists.
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 09:44:12AM -0700, todd glassey wrote:
BRIAN - you have totally missed the point - No offense meant, but
your personal word nor any other IETF/IESG staff member is what is not to
be relied on - whether you are telling the truth or not is irrelevant - the
process has a hole in it large enough to drive a Mack truck through.
Todd, it's clear you don't have any faith in anyone on the IESG (they
aren't "staff", by the way, they are volunteers), but at the same
time, the vast majority of those who have spoken on this thread have
clearly expressed that they believe that all concerned were acting in
good faith, and that no harm was done.
You may not believe that, but as a suggestion, your constant and
strident attacks quite frankly weaken your own credibility. So if you
do have a particular goal of changing how the IETF works, being a bit
more thoughtful about suggesting changes will tend to probably serve
your goals better than your current style of attacking people like
Brian and other IESG members.
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