I don't know what to add. It is not very common that a
large group of 15 persons (covering authors from all
solution proposals so far) volunteer and ask for being
involved in the draft charter preparation.
After having hundreds of mails in the RCDML maillist and
having reached a consensus for the draft charter text we
came out to the NGO maillist. There were no opponents
on the NGO maillist. This is also the reason why the
discussion has been brought to the IETF discussion list.
As I can see we did not skip any important step of the
process. In all the steps there was sufficient place for
discussion. And we got one step further because there
was always consensus and support in the step before.
As a summary: I fully support the charter proposal and
the creation of the NETMOD WG.
Behalf Of ext Andy Bierman
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:45 PM
To: Harald Alvestrand
Subject: Re: WG Review: NETCONF Data Modeling Language (netmod)
Harald Alvestrand wrote:
Eric Rescorla wrote:
At Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:17:47 -0600,
Randy Presuhn wrote:
Our ADs worked very hard to prevent us from talking about
choices at the CANMOD BOF. Our original proposal for consensus
hums included getting a of sense of preferences among the various
proposals. We were told we could *not* ask these
questions, for fear
of upsetting Eric Rescorla.
Well, it's certainly true that the terms--agreed to by the IESG and
the IAB--on which the BOF were held were that there not be a beauty
contest at the BOF but that there first be a showing that there was
consensus to do work in this area at all. I'm certainly
willing to cop
to being one of the people who argued for that, but I was far
from the only one. If you want to blame me for that, go ahead.
In any case, now that consensus to do *something* has been
established it is the appropriate time to have discussion on
the technology. I certainly never imagined that just because
there weren't hums taken in PHL that that meant no hums would
ever be taken.
It's been a month since PHL.
The IETF's supposed to be able to work on mailing lists between
meetings, including being able to work when no WG exists - which of
course means working on mailing lists that are not WG lists.
Agreed -- this also means that the 'technical approach' straw poll
that did not occur in the CANMOD BoF is not really that important,
since final consensus needs to be confirmed on a designated
I congratulate the participants who worked on the charter
on managing to
have the discussion and come to consensus on an approach. I
up to Eric to demonstrate to the IESG that there's support in the
community for disagreeing with the consensus of the
15 person (large!) design team. 1000s of emails. Done in a month.
This is more effort than most WGs can muster.
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