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Re: IP-based reputation services vs. DNSBL (long)

2008-11-11 13:10:24

Keith Moore schrieb:

1. suitability of the DNS data and query model.  right now this protocol
essentially communicates one bit of information to be used in a decision
- i.e. whether the address or domain name is good or bad.  I suspect

This is wrong. For todays DNSxLs, many queries return multiple bits of
information (eg to indicate a match on multiple lists, or varying levels
of trustworthiness). For some examples, have a look at
"25_dnsbl_tests.cf" of your nearest SpamAssassin installation.

much information.  (It also bugs me that multiple queries are required
to  get the information necessary to perform a bounce/relay decision and
to bounce a message... granted that this is a flaw in the DNS protocol

This is also wrong for the reason given above.

3. security.  it might be that mechanisms already defined or used with
DNS (DNSSEC, source port randomization) are adequate, but I'd like to
see more analysis done.

Spammers have a high interest to circumvent / subvert / hack / hijack /
destroy propagation mechanisms of DNSxLs. In all the many years, they
have failed. I would conclude that the security of the mechanism is not
so bad.

4. effects of DNS caching.  if a host is removed from a blacklist it
should arguably be removed from all caches instantly, but DNS isn't

Chapter 4 of the draft is dedicated to this chapter.

5. slippery slope.  DNS is a vital service, and one that is very
difficult to replace.  It needs to remain focused on a narrow goal.  The
more we overload DNS, the more we threaten to add complexity that will
make it more fragile.

A single nameserver of dnswl.org has a DNS traffic of roughly 10 GByte
per day, and I would guess that is a lot smaller than what a well-known
blacklist has. So far, the extensive use of DNS does not seem to have
destabilized DNS.

Keith, I fail to see a convincing argument in this discussion.

-- Matthias

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