RE: [73attendees] Is USA qualifiedfor2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue

I recall stats from IETF 71 (which may be out of date).  I believe at
that time, 48% of attendees were from the U.S.  Next was Japan with 9%,
then China with 5.7%.  If I recall correctly, this was a good number of
attendees from China, but I do not know how that compared to IETF 72 or
to IETF 73.  Is the visa issue for visitors from all countries coming to
the U.S., or is this specific to Chinese citizens coming to the U.S.

Jason 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
> [mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On 
> Behalf Of Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:28 PM
> To: ext Joel Jaeggli; Yi Zhao
> Cc: 'David Quigley'; 73attendees(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; 'Nicholas Weaver'; 
> ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA 
> qualifiedfor2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> In the IAOC, we have followed the visa situation for 
> different nations closely. It is obviously in the benefit for 
> the IETF to have all the participants that want and need to 
> come to the IETF could also come.
>
> Historically, the IETF community has indicated the preference 
> of having a big part of the meetings in the North American 
> region. This makes us often come to the USA. Traditionally a 
> major part of the participation is from the North American region.
>
> Of course, we should periodically check this policy, and also 
> follow the visa situation very carefully.
>
> I think it would be good for people that were trying to come 
> to the IETF and couldn't to tell the IAD or me what happened. 
> Accurate data is very important.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jonne.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/18/08 10:08 PM, "ext Joel Jaeggli" <joelja(_at_)bogus(_dot_)com> wrote:
>
> > Yi Zhao wrote:
> > > Based on my knowledge, for Chinese citizens there is no 
> any problem 
> > > to get the visa to other countries except US.
> > I know for a fact that several of your countrymen have had trouble 
> > obtaining visas for other recent IETF destinations.
> >
> > >  
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ---
> > >
> > > *From:* 73attendees-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> > > [mailto:73attendees-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] *On Behalf Of *David 
> > > Quigley
> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:56 PM
> > > *To:* Nicholas Weaver
> > > *Cc:* 73attendees(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> > > *Subject:* Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified 
> > > for2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Disclaimer: What I say here are my words and don't represent the 
> > > views of my employer.
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > From what I see here the issues are mostly experienced by Chinese 
> > > citizens. Most of the other countries have reciprocal visa 
> agreements 
> > > with the US. China however doesn't have that agreement 
> with Ireland, 
> > > Sweden, Japan, or the US. Were there similar problems with gaining 
> > > entrance into Ireland? Will there be similar issues with gaining 
> > > entrance into Sweden or Japan?
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Weaver 
> > > <nweaver(_at_)icsi(_dot_)berkeley(_dot_)edu 
> <mailto:nweaver(_at_)icsi(_dot_)berkeley(_dot_)edu>> wrote:
> > > On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
> > >
> > >     Excerpts from Randy Bush on Tue, Nov 18, 2008 10:39:57AM -0600:
> > >
> > >     qdang(_at_)nist(_dot_)gov <mailto:qdang(_at_)nist(_dot_)gov> wrote:
> > >
> > >     I believe our US government would like to grant visas 
> to as many
> > >     people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend 
> a meeting in
> > >     the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can 
> imagine there will
> > >     be 100 million visa applications for the IETF meeting 
> in CA next year
> > >     alone.
> > >
> > >
> > >     thank you for demonstrating so clearly the jingoistic 
> prejudice at the
> > >     us government level that should preclude ietf being 
> held in the united
> > >     states.
> > >
> > >
> > >     How would you solve the problem?  Let 100 million 
> people in on false
> > >     pretenses?  I'm not going to defend the behavior of 
> the US government,
> > >     but I want you to admit that US immigration has a 
> difficult problem.
> > >     Slinging labels around doesn't help.
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Remember, the IETF is NOT special.  There are tens of thousands of 
> > > conferences, and they are all pretty much 
> need-to-be-treated equal.  
> > > If the US gave effectively carte blanch to conference 
> attendees, you 
> > > would have no immigration controls, period, as this would be a big 
> > > enough loophole to fly an A380 through.
> > >
> > > The Visa issue in the US is serious, but how many people 
> are really 
> > > affected by this?
> > >
> > > We need hard data, because the notion of simply "not holding IETF 
> > > meetings in a terrorist country" is not effective.
> > >
> > > And if you want to do Visa issues as a criteria, you can strongly 
> > > argue that all IETF meeting SHOULD be in a country where a visa is 
> > > not required for travel for EU, US, Japanese, and Canadian 
> citizens.
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