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Re: LC summary for draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management

2009-06-27 11:17:36


SM wrote:
In an Informational document, guidelines provide guidance. In a BCP document, it can be read as "the IETF community agrees to adopt these guidelines". In Section 1.2:

  "This document does not impose a solution, or imply that a formal data
   model is needed, or imply that using a specific management protocol
   is mandatory."

The catch is in the following sentence:

  "Any decision to make a Management Considerations section a mandatory
   publication requirement for IETF documents is the responsibility of
   the IESG, or specific area directors, or working groups, and this
   document avoids recommending any mandatory publication requirements."

The IESG could come up with such a requirement for the IETF Stream if this document is published as a BCP.


In practical terms, the IESG could come up with that requirement whether this document is BCP or not. Language such as you quoted does not "enable" an IESG action; it merely reminds the reader where a particular authority rests. So the concern you raise is a non-sequitor.

More importantly, what is the purpose of having a consensus process for a document that has no status reflecting a consensus, particularly when that document seeks to alter behavior?

The term guidance means giving direction. That's not merely informative. It is, by definition, directive. The IETF's labels for documents that are directive are standards track and BCP.

Normative labels (stds trk & bcp) are particularly helpful when the community needs to adjust its sense of priorities, to do things it probably should have doing all along, but hasn't. The danger of a normative label, for non-protocol documents, is that they can be taken as casting things into Procrustean concrete. This draft has language that is reasonable cautious of such over-application, although this does require the reader to pay attention to the words that are actually written in the document...

If the job of this document were merely to provide a reference about some issues, Informational would make sense. But it has a more directive intent than that. It seeks to get specification writers to include considerations and material that has been notably lacking in IETF development work.

That's not merely informational. It is, by definition, stating a really good -- probably even a Best -- current practice for developing specifications.

d/


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  Dave Crocker
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