This is truly a tricky point. Often, organizers of these "bar BoFs"
make great effort to get an AD involved and attending, make it clear
that they're having this because their BoF proposal got in too late or
was denied, and/or talk about a proposed WG charter. These side
meetings are often advertised during open area meetings and other
working-group sessions, and everyone is encouraged to attend.
It seems like this draft discourages that sort of meeting in the first place,
It does, but they will happen nonetheless. The draft encourages
small, invited groups, but people *want* larger, open meetings, and
they'll do them. I think it's important that we do what we can to get
people to make it clear what rules they're applying -- in that case,
and in all cases.
Thus, a Contribution that is made at one of the side
meetings or other "unofficial" or "semi-official" events described in
this document could still be under the applicability of the
IETF's IPR rules. If you have a question regarding the applicability
of the IETF IPR rules in any specific context or to any specific
activity, you should consult your attorney or make an inquiry to the
If a meeting occurs during an IETF week, is open to all, and clearly
relates to current or proposed work for the IETF, those who attend
will have a reasonable expectation that the IETF's rules apply.
The organizers of these meetings are, therefore, strongly encouraged
to make an explicit statement at the beginning of the meetings to
announce whether or not they do apply (by using the "Note Well" text
[NOTEWELL]). If they do not apply, the announcement should
specify what confidentiality and IPR terms are in effect. In the absence
of such a statement, attendees are encouraged to explicitly ask.
but I guess I'm looking for a way that someone could explicitly choose to
have a meeting
where Note Well did not apply.
I agree, and I hope my suggested text says that. If more needs to be
said, we (for some value of "we" that might mean "Lars and Gonzalo")
can take another stab.
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