--On Friday, September 09, 2011 18:02 -0400 "Joel M. Halpern"
There seem to be at least two different dimensions here,
On the one hand, when I discuss with someone (in an airport,
hotel, whatever) an idea for a protocol behavior, that does
not consistute permission for them to submit an I-D (with or
without my name on it) with thewords I speak to them. if I
send them an Email privately, not as part of a WG or design
team effort, then no, I hav enot given them the right to use
On the other hand, my personal feeling about such a
conversation when I have had them and there were patent
issues, I did feel it was incumbent upon me to say "I have
filed for some relevant patents in this space." No, I do not
have to file a formal disclosure with the IETF. But it would
be misleading not to mention that IPR issues exist.
If your second conversation is followed by either one of you
submitting anything to the IETF, getting involved with a
discussion on an IETF mailing list, then I think there is a
formal disclosure requirement. If you think that is the
dividing line, then we pretty much agree.
However, my understanding today is that the "contribution" rules
and the "disclosure" rules set in at exactly the same point. If
we, or others, want to set up two separate thresholds (as I
think your analysis implies), then someone needs to start
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