By the time period Steve talks about I was out of diapers and able to toddle on
my own.
Fast forward a few years and I was exposed to LISP (the real one, not the IETF
one) when I did my thesis at the MIT LCS and fell in love with it. To the
point that I regularly argued with various cretins from Berkeley who felt that
C, not LISP, was the language of the gods. It took a true grey beard to
interject and say that assembly language was the language of the gods, because
both LISP and C compiled into machine language, so if you could not write a
program in assembly language, you could not write it at all. My rebuttal that
we had lots of LISP machines hanging around didn't make much of an impact on
the argument.
Since the relative demise of LISP/Scheme and the ascension of the semicolon
over the parenthesis, MIT has gotten its revenge, inflicting the angle bracket
in the parenthesis' place through the global adoption of XML.
Yes, I *have* seen XML language proposals that look deceptively identical to
the lambda calculus...
On Oct 31, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Steve Crocker wrote:
I was at the MIT AI Lab 1967-68 and at ARPA/IPTO 1961-74 where I funded and
reviewed the Stanford AI Lab. Later I based my PhD thesis on McCarthy's memo
on situational fluents. I also designed but didn't implement Lisp for the
Sigma 7.
Later I ran research groups and insisted on Lisp as a requirement.
Steve
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On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:44 PM, todd glassey <tglassey(_at_)earthlink(_dot_)net>
wrote:
On 10/28/2011 1:25 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
First, as someone who chartered the working group, who has
implemented Lisp (the programming language) at least four times, and
who views Dr. McCarthy as a hero I disagree that name is problematic
or disrespectful. And I almost take offense in the claim that this is
a generational thing.
And frankly, if there's disrespect to be found here, IMO it lies in
using this sad event as a proxy to criticize some IETF work some
people apparently don't like.
So how many people here actually knew or worked with John... or what he was
working on? its a relevant question because there seem to be a number of
people speaking from authority... so how many of you were around in the
1960's and 1970's at AI (either MIT or SU)?
I bring this up as TOG(_at_)SUAI(_dot_)EDU...
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