2. Because of #1, I'm given to understand that many regular readers,
myself included, have BCC filters SPECIFICALLY for procmail --
when a message is relayed by the procmail list, but the list
isn't actually shown as an addressee, in the past this has
ALWAYS been a sign of spam. This mirror list matches that rule
and for all intents and purposes, appears to be this spam.
Yes this is a filter that I and many people I know use.
The bayview list had ended up in the filter
When someone using the mirror posts an article or reply, that message, as
well as all followups to it, are subject to the relay filtering that people
use to block spam from the procmail list.
Are the messages sent through Bayview set to Reply-To the procmail list?
They should be
If someone did this to one of the mailing lists I run, I'd add rules to
bounce the mirror mail in a heartbeat. This isn't about facism or being a
control freak - it is about CONSISTENCY. And being made aware of things
which are essentially large functional changes to the list, being made by
This is not a large function change, it is a small one.
And the listadmin for the "official" list seems to have vanished from it
And I've got to ask, why is it the FIRST notice of *ANY* bayview.com
address on this list is when a mirror has been created? On all outward
appearances, the mirror was created by someone who just this week
subscribed to this list. No discussion, no announcement, no permission.
No discussion was really necessary.
An announcement would have been nice.
No permission was needed (and who would give it, since the official admin
I adamantly refuse to rewrite my procmail spam filter to permit abuse via
an unauthorized mirror list.
No authority is needed.
In fact I remember seeing somewhere that this was *asked for* because if
there are a large number of users on a system then it reduces the load on the
If you want to keep your anonimity, there are plenty of ways to
go about it without resorting to something which is just shy of
hijacking the list.
I don't think it's just shy of hijacking the list, but replies should be set
to the official list, and spam filters should be put into place.
But then again I think the same of the official procmail list.
"It takes real courage to be a Macintosh user; it takes real
conviction; not unlike being a Christian in the days of the Romans."
- Guy Kawasaki, Chief Evangelist for Apple Computer - from "Hotseat"
interview with John McChesney (3/28/97) [ my birthday! ]