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2014-02-09 13:33:11
I submitted an unsubscribe request and was told I would no longer receive these 
emails, and yet here is another one.
Since I "officially" followed the procedure, what do you recommend I do to STOP 
these emails?

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Today's Topics:

  1. What does t=y actually do? (John Levine)
  2. Re: What does t=y actually do? (Hector Santos)


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Message: 1
Date: 7 Feb 2014 15:31:18 -0000
From: "John Levine" <johnl(_at_)taugh(_dot_)com>
Subject: [dkim-ops] What does t=y actually do?
To: dkim-ops(_at_)mipassoc(_dot_)org
Message-ID: <20140207153118(_dot_)3210(_dot_)qmail(_at_)joyce(_dot_)lan>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

An acquaintance notes that many of his clients still have t=y in their
DKIM records.  Do any DKIM implementations pay any attention to it?

RFC 6376 still says:

     y  This domain is testing DKIM.  Verifiers MUST NOT treat messages
        from Signers in testing mode differently from unsigned email,
        even should the signature fail to verify.

which is fine. except that verifiers are supposed to ignore broken
signatures anyway.

R's,
John


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 12:51:41 -0500
From: Hector Santos <hsantos(_at_)isdg(_dot_)net>
Subject: Re: [dkim-ops] What does t=y actually do?
To: dkim-ops(_at_)mipassoc(_dot_)org
Cc: dkim-ops(_at_)mipassoc(_dot_)org
Message-ID: <52F51D2D(_dot_)7030907(_at_)isdg(_dot_)net>
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On 2/7/2014 10:31 AM, John Levine wrote:> An acquaintance notes that 
many of his clients still have t=y in their
DKIM records.  Do any DKIM implementations pay any attention to it?

RFC 6376 still says:

      y  This domain is testing DKIM.  Verifiers MUST NOT treat messages
         from Signers in testing mode differently from unsigned email,
         even should the signature fail to verify.

which is fine. except that verifiers are supposed to ignore broken
signatures anyway.


Currently, we have no built-in action logic for DKIM results other 
than processing and recording.  ADSP has been abandoned and there is 
no other policy layer augmentation to cover what domains expect.  I 
was among the advocates for the MUST NOT semantics  in the description 
above.  DKIM processors should also ignore this testing flag when used 
over any extended period by the same domain.  IOW, testing and 
migration phases should not be forever. If a DKIM processor is going 
to learn (monitor) how a domain is operating with its mail, it could 
for example, allow for a X time period for the domain to use the t=y 
flag.   In the 2006 DSAP proposal, for example, it is described this way:


http://isdg.net/public/ietf/drafts/draft-santos-dkim-dsap-01.html#anchor22

  4.7.  DSAP Tag: t=y

  The t=y tag is optional. If defined, the domain is currently 
testing DKIM. Verifiers SHOULD
  NOT treat testers any different from production mode signers. It 
SHOULD NOT be used as a way
  to bypass a failed signature classification policies. However, 
verifiers SHOULD track testers
  for over extended usage of test signatures and MAY consider using 
the results to provide
  feedback to the domain.

But right now?

Nada. t=y is ignored for our implementation.

Without a policy layer to helps puts some actionable material behind 
DKIM, it is currently pure processing recorded waste. I would love to 
finally find out where the DKIM payoff can be found.  It seems we are 
at a point where valid or invalid signature doesn't matter.   We have 
no policy layer to allow receivers to act on the behalf of the signer 
wishes with zero false positive considerations.

-- 
HLS






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