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[Asrg] Re: Yet another attempt to fix forwarding

2008-01-30 21:30:49
Douglas Otis wrote:

SPF advocates decided _not_ to adopt the revised record format
that specifies scope.

- There never was a scope in v=spf1, it was always about SMTP.
- There was apparent consensus that "spf2.0" cannot assimilate
  a different + existing + older v=spf1, and no MARID draft did.
- There was no consensus that PRA makes sense, therefore one of
  the MARID editors was asked to produce an "mfrom" draft.
- Five days after he posted it MARID was terminated without any
  discussion with the WG (in violence of RFC 2418 section 4). 
- After MARID the "mfrom" author returned to v=spf1 and updated
  it with the only tangible MARID result, an unambiguous ABNF.
- Later a version with more elaborated processing limits etc.
  by another author became RFC 4408.
- The PRA draft trying to assimilate v=spf1 (after MARID) was
  appealed twice at the IESG and once at the IAB, resulting in
  one of the longest "IESG notes" I have ever seen, stating
  among other things that PRA (as is) will be never a standard,
  because it is incompatible with existing Internet standards. 
- The IAB decided that conflicting experiments are no problem.
- PRA was never more than a footnote in history, their attempt
  to "steal" the installed v=spf1 base was a miserable failure.

http://www.openspf.org/blobs/spf-community-position.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARID
http://purl.net/xyzzy/home/test/senderid-appeal.htm

Of course the IETF was never asked what it thinks, as there
was never an IETF Last Call for SPF as requested.  The folks
pushing SenderID wanted *no* Last Call, and they always got
what they wanted.  Down to a clandestine attempt to remove
the critical NOT RECOMMENDED in 4408 by an RFC editor note.

Are we ready with this disgrace in the history of the IETF ?

SPF records will never be revised to include scope

SPF does anything that's possible in SMTP given a connecting
IP, an EHLO, and a MAIL FROM, no "scopes" needed.  And FWIW
PRA does anything that is possible with an 2822 header after
stupidly ignoring the MAIL FROM, also no "scopes" needed.

A theoretically possible "Message-ID scope" is in practice
nonsense, nobody posted an spf2.0/mid (or similar) draft...

...go for it if you like the idea, maybe it is better than
the DKIM-SSP concept to bind author addresses (28822-From).  

SPF does not try to dictate a common (working for everybody)
interpretation of any header fields *in* the DATA, we'll see
how far DKIM-SSP gets with its attempt.

 Frank


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