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Re: [ietf-dkim] incremental vs. infrastructure adoption

2006-12-09 14:00:58


Charles Lindsey wrote:
You can't do it in the headers, because Bad Guys can write headers too.

Not when the headers are signed.  (eg, <http://goodmailsystems.com>.)
And there you gave a good answer (and it also brings the thread back on topic :-). OK, such schemes are possible. But the Bad Guy can still insert the "SAFE" header and sign it, so there is still work for the verifying agent to do by way of spotting such already present headers and acting accordingly. .

Typical discussions, about such indications of safety, distinguish between what is carried in the message, across the Internet, versus what is generated within the trusted Administrative Management Domain (ADMD) of the recipient.

If you are wanting that "SAFE" logo to appear on your MUA when a whitelisted email is received, then that information has to be communicated somehow from the site that checked the whitelist (which is usually in a diferent ADMD to yourself). That means it must be possible to communicate it by SMTP (you cannot assume that everybody uses POP3 or IMAP to access their mail, and even there it would need upgrades to those protocols).


There is very little real-world experience with Internet-scale mechanisms within-message carriage of safety indicators to the end users.

So we should be cautious about assuming exactly how it is going to be done or how it will work.

You are postulating carriage between two ADMDs. From the discussions about indicators I've seen over the last year or two, I believe it is expected that the special header field being explored is intended for use only within a single ADMD.

That does not mean that inter-ADMD signaling of safety isn't possible, but merely that it is a significant extension and, as you note, carries added trust challenges.

d/

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  Dave Crocker
  Brandenburg InternetWorking
  bbiw.net
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