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Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM on envelope level

2009-11-02 07:48:11
On 11/2/09 12:20 PM, Ian Eiloart wrote:


--On 30 October 2009 19:52:54 +0100 Eliot Lear <lear(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> 
wrote:


I can't say, but I do know that many of us toss a whole lot of mail at
EHLO, some at MAIL FROM:<> and some at DATA.  The idea I was thinking
about was whether it provides any value whatsoever to at least know that
you are authentically dealing with a legitimate source sooner, without
having to send even a whole header.

Yes it would help, but probably not more than an SPF pass would help. 
What do you get from that? Well, you can check the reputation of the 
MAIL FROM address. 

Well now we're quibbling about how to check the MAIL FROM address.  I'm 
still interested in an end-to-end approach.  SPF doesn't give you 
end-to-end.  A legitimate intermediate could have been compromised, for 
instance.  MAIL FROM *does* change for mailing lists, of course, but 
then they should re-sign anyway.  Of course, I'm still not sure this is 
worth the effort to fix because SPF could be Just Good Enough for the 
1st pass, and then DKIM can be used on the body.  Same argument seems to 
apply to STARTTLS, although I would imagine that the latter has more of 
a hit on the CPU.

Eliot
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