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Draft Meeting notes for Feb OPES workshop

2001-02-22 14:09:14

We held an OPES workshop adjacent to the CND2001 conference on Feburary 20, 2001. It was an active workshop with all attendees participating in the discussion and adding to
the vision behind OPES.

The topics presented and the main speakers were:

o       Introduction and OPES IETF status report - Condry
o       Rule and proxylet specifications ? Beck and Hofmann
o Rule language and rule engine processing requirements clarification ? Yang
o       Proxylet naming and meta-data - Maciocco
o Protocol characteristics for rulets and proxylet downloading ? Maciocco and Yang
o       Some details on examples ? Beck and Hofmann
o       Using BXXP for extended proxy services - Orman
o       An API for generic proxy services - Orman
o       Open discussion - all


Associated with the presentations were many items identified were discussion is needed within
the OPES architecture.

1. Rule Ordering ? the service requests are defined by a set of rules indicating when action should take place on associated proxylets, code fragments, that indicate the action to be
preformed when indicated by the rules.
* The IRML, previously PSRL, language is one means of specifying rules. Overall collection of dependencies between rules was thought of being out of scope of IRML
and to be handled separately. The question came up whether there should be a
separate language for describing these dependencies or whether IRML should be
extended to allow for these dependencies?
* Pattern matching is the key indicator by the rule system. What about other service
considerations, such a local environment conditions?
* What is the process for sequencing the rules? Is this a policy framework? Even if this is vendor dependent some requirements and process for achieving the desired policy
needs to be specified.
2. Are there distinctions for the rules for surrogate vs avatar systems? (Beck) 3. In the policy the rule "owner" needs clarification. Currently "owner-id" appears to be an overloaded term. A mixture of "security needs" and "rule specifier" overload the term. 4. A "valid through" concepts needs to be added to IRML. For example, a way to specify
that a rule is valid only for a certain time or certain days.
5. Should rules (and proxylets) be allowed to be contained within the content. There were mixed opinions here, many view the rules in a less dynamic manner. Possibly a solution would be to expectations of meta-data and the rules act upon the content's meta-data and thus can provide the necessary dynamic features because the meta-data can be
changed with the content.
6. The administration characteristics with rules needs further specification. Some environments have a single administration box for several OPES boxes. Do we need to specify a protocol for the communication between the administration box and OPES units
or are existing ones adequate.
7. Some actions, such as transcoding, have rules as well. Are these represented in our rule system or in some outside source? For example, in transcoding should the desired characteristics of the transcoding operation be passed on to the transcoding process (internal or callout server) or do the rules qualify the particular transcoding operation and that particular process is called. If all items were transcoded each time this might not be an issue; but if we need to select between a cached transcoded item and the conversion process its becomes more complex. How is this determined and represented? Part of this
problem space is "out of scope" but we need to clarify the scope in this area.
8. What are the requirements for the content that gets passed on after any OPES service transformation? How are things marked (headers, meta-data, etc.)? What conditions allow for changing this information for the next box in the sequence? This came up later in examining what might be modified in headers in moving the data through the OPES
process chain.
9. Some examples showed state in the rule base. How do we keep from creating state as part of the rule set? Again marking and meta-data may be the avenue here for preventing
unnecessary state management.
10.     Proxylet and callout service binding needs clarification.
11. Would it be a good idea to keep a "hash" of the proxylet code in the name rather than a
separate name and code specification.
12. Much of the callout service model to date was focused on iCAP. However it became clear that other services will exist. Is there some meta-data for callout services. A repeated thought is the transcoding problem noted earlier. The meta-data seems to be the avenue
to determine what is in the cache and if a transcoding operation is necessary.
13. Should the proxylet specification include some operational rules that are indicated to execute the proxylet. We have been looking at rules as coming from the customer (or receiver), service provider (opes provider), and content owner (CDN). Discussion did indicate that the proxylet should have a final say in the condition of execution which
implies that the proxylet has this final condition set.
14. The protocols between the control planes and data planes were discussed. Should we use existing ones like FTP or email? What about SOAP and LDAP? This was left as a
TBD with additional functional clarification needed for the architecture.
15. Understanding the informational data model is needed and should be added to the
requirements.
16. Request process needs to be clarified. Can the end-user request for attributes? Should
they? (Hilarie)
17. Examples allow for many forms of services and others were discussed. Although the end target will allow for these services does it make the problem space too complex for the
IETF to make progress so would focusing on less services for now be better?
18. BEEP has some interesting characteristics that might be employed in the OPES environment. This needs to be examined in more detail and we will hold a discussion at
our next meeting/BOF.
19. A generic API needs to be defined in order for "open" proxylets to be written. APIs are generally viewed as an "in the box" rather than "in the network" and thus not considered
at the IETF. This has to be sorted out.
20. One more issue that was discussed in many side conversations was how rule modules affect cacheability. Here is an example: a rule is defined to call an icap service only between the hours of 9 and 5, but the icap service itself does not know this. I would say that the result is cacheable only until 5:00, even though the icap service has not reflected this in the cache directives. There are a broad class of similar problems: if a rule module is updated, for example, does that invalidate cached entries? How does that affect
dowstream proxies that may have cached the result?
21. The edge concepts does break existing IETF ideas in the end-to-end delivery model (like IPSEC). Edge services are going to happen and having the IETF embrace them at this
stage rather than ignoring them would be best for all.
22. The lack of communication from the APPS area directors has made this a challenging project to keep alive within the IETF community. However, the momentum is getting stronger. How do we help resolve whatever problems are causing this so that the efforts
can move forward?




Attendees:

Michael Condry          condry(_at_)intel(_dot_)com
Sherif Kottapurath      sherif(_at_)india(_dot_)sun(_dot_)com
Jeff Einarson           jeff(_dot_)einarson(_at_)intel(_dot_)com
Jeff Noah               jeff(_dot_)noah(_at_)intel(_dot_)com
Lily Yang               lily(_dot_)l(_dot_)yang(_at_)intel(_dot_)com
Markus Hofmann          hofmann(_at_)bell-labs(_dot_)com
Andre Beck              abeck(_at_)bell-labs(_dot_)com
Micah Beck              mbeck(_at_)cs(_dot_)utk(_dot_)edu
Lee Rafalow             rafalow(_at_)raleigh(_dot_)ibm(_dot_)com
Phil Rzewski            philr(_at_)inktomi(_dot_)com
R. McElrath             rmcelrath(_at_)anystream(_dot_)com
Jayanth Mysore          jayanth(_dot_)mysore(_at_)motorola(_dot_)com
Christian Maciocco      christian(_dot_)maciocco(_at_)intel(_dot_)com
Paul Eastham            eastham(_at_)netapp(_dot_)com
Hilarie Orman           horman(_at_)novell(_dot_)com
Craig Blitz             cblitz(_at_)novell(_dot_)com
Mark Nottingham         mnot(_at_)akamai(_dot_)com

Please reply to Condry(_at_)intel(_dot_)com for comments and additions to the workshop.


Michael W. Condry
Director, Network Edge Technology


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