----- Original Message -----
From: "David R. Conrad" <david(_dot_)conrad(_at_)nominum(_dot_)com>
To: "D. J. Bernstein" <djb(_at_)cr(_dot_)yp(_dot_)to>;
<ngtrans(_at_)sunroof(_dot_)eng(_dot_)sun(_dot_)com>;
<namedroppers(_at_)ops(_dot_)ietf(_dot_)org>;
<ipng(_at_)sunroof(_dot_)eng(_dot_)sun(_dot_)com>; <dnsop(_at_)cafax(_dot_)se>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: (ngtrans) Joint DNSEXT & NGTRANS summary
Dan,
At 12:14 AM 8/8/2001 +0000, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
The NAT sites I've seen are using it for precisely one reason: to
conserve precious IPv4 address space.
Large organizations also use NAT so they aren't held hostage by their
service provider. Really. If you don't believe me, ask any large
organization that does not have "portable" address space.
Large organizations also use NAT so that they are not held hostage by
the ICANN/IANA multi-level-marketing (MLM) structure of the large
IPv4 Address Block owners and the Regional Registries.[1] By using NAT,
companies do not have to pay "Internet taxes" to inefficient organizations
who continue to grow in size to support their traveling road shows of
gad-flys, groupies, industry pundits and politicians. What should be
a completely automated system of obtaining (and returning) blocks of
IP addresses to pools maintained on reliable database servers, continues
to be a *subjective*, manual system, which requires that people "grease"
the right parts of the system in order to obtain a useable IPv4 address
block.
The large companies (some listed below) who already have plenty of IPv4
allocations, are immune from dealing with the MLM monster. They regularly
claim they just do not see what the problem is, yet, they are able to grow
in
size and win contracts because they have the IPv4 allocations and others
pay dearly in fees and administrative overhead to obtain meager resources.
[1] http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
000/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
001/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
002/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
003/8 General Electric Company May 94
004/8 Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. Dec 92
005/8 IANA - Reserved Jul 95
006/8 Army Information Systems Center Feb 94
007/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 95
008/8 Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. Dec 92
009/8 IBM Aug 92
010/8 IANA - Private Use Jun 95
011/8 DoD Intel Information Systems May 93
012/8 AT&T Bell Laboratories Jun 95
013/8 Xerox Corporation Sep 91
014/8 IANA - Public Data Network Jun 91
015/8 Hewlett-Packard Company Jul 94
016/8 Digital Equipment Corporation Nov 94
017/8 Apple Computer Inc. Jul 92
018/8 MIT Jan 94
019/8 Ford Motor Company May 95
020/8 Computer Sciences Corporation Oct 94
021/8 DDN-RVN Jul 91
022/8 Defense Information Systems Agency May 93
023/8 IANA - Reserved Jul 95
024/8 ARIN - Cable Block May 01
(Formerly IANA - Jul 95)
025/8 Royal Signals and Radar Establishment Jan 95
026/8 Defense Information Systems Agency May 95
027/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 95
028/8 DSI-North Jul 92
029/8 Defense Information Systems Agency Jul 91
030/8 Defense Information Systems Agency Jul 91
031/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 99
032/8 Norsk Informasjonsteknologi Jun 94
033/8 DLA Systems Automation Center Jan 91
034/8 Halliburton Company Mar 93
035/8 MERIT Computer Network Apr 94
036/8 IANA - Reserved Jul 00
(Formerly Stanford University - Apr 93)
037/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 95
038/8 Performance Systems International Sep 94
039/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 95
040/8 Eli Lily and Company Jun 94
041/8 IANA - Reserved May 95
042/8 IANA - Reserved Jul 95
043/8 Japan Inet Jan 91
044/8 Amateur Radio Digital Communications Jul 92
045/8 Interop Show Network Jan 95
046/8 Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. Dec 92
047/8 Bell-Northern Research Jan 91
048/8 Prudential Securities Inc. May 95
049/8 Joint Technical Command May 94
Returned to IANA Mar 98
050/8 Joint Technical Command May 94
Returned to IANA Mar 98
051/8 Deparment of Social Security of UK Aug 94
052/8 E.I. duPont de Nemours and Co., Inc. Dec 91
053/8 Cap Debis CCS Oct 93
054/8 Merck and Co., Inc. Mar 92
055/8 Boeing Computer Services Apr 95
056/8 U.S. Postal Service Jun 94
057/8 SITA May 95
058/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
059/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
060/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
061/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim Apr 97
062/8 RIPE NCC - Europe Apr 97
063/8 ARIN Apr 97
064/8 ARIN Jul 99
065/8 ARIN Jul 00
066/8 ARIN Jul 00
067/8 ARIN May 01
068/8 ARIN Jun 01
069-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
080/8 RIPE NCC Apr 01
081/8 RIPE NCC Apr 01
082-095/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
096-126/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
127/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
128-191/8 Various Registries May 93
192/8 Various Registries - MultiRegional May 93
193/8 RIPE NCC - Europe May 93
194/8 RIPE NCC - Europe May 93
195/8 RIPE NCC - Europe May 93
196/8 Various Registries May 93
197/8 IANA - Reserved May 93
198/8 Various Registries May 93
199/8 ARIN - North America May 93
200/8 ARIN - Central and South America May 93
201/8 Reserved - Central and South America May 93
202/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim May 93
203/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim May 93
204/8 ARIN - North America Mar 94
205/8 ARIN - North America Mar 94
206/8 ARIN - North America Apr 95
207/8 ARIN - North America Nov 95
208/8 ARIN - North America Apr 96
209/8 ARIN - North America Jun 96
210/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim Jun 96
211/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim Jun 96
212/8 RIPE NCC - Europe Oct 97
213/8 RIPE NCC - Europe Mar 99
214/8 US-DOD Mar 98
215/8 US-DOD Mar 98
216/8 ARIN - North America Apr 98
217/8 RIPE NCC - Europe Jun 00
218/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim Dec 00
219-223/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
224-239/8 IANA - Multicast Sep 81
240-255/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81
---------------------------------
Fortunately, that all now changes, since Microsoft has added the
ability to use 2002 "IPv8 Addressing" in Windows 2000. Rather than
allocating the IPv8 Address space to the same insiders above, the
address space has been dispersed to thousands of regional and
non-regional registries, in order to make it fair and open and to
encourage automation and low-cost or no-cost allocations. People
that get angry about this are generally expressing their concerns that
THEY are no longer going to be able to hold people hostage over some
simple IP address allocations.
http://www.dot-arizona.com/IPv8/IPv4/
The "toy" IPv4 Internet is a sewer.
IPv8 is designed to be a swamp to cover the sewer.
IPv16 is the "high-ground"....
...here are some links...
Jim Fleming
http://www.unir.com
Mars 128n 128e
http://www.unir.com/images/architech.gif
http://www.unir.com/images/address.gif
http://www.unir.com/images/headers.gif
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12213.html
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12223.html
