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Re: Trademarks vs. titles of IETF workgroups and their output - e.g. the term "APEX"

2002-02-11 09:30:02
Hmm, I think I get the general theory (though I've never seen it come
up in practice), but I think in the case of APEX it's definitely a
non-issue.  If you search the trademark database for APEX and Internet
you'll see that none of the live applications that contain APEX have
it in the word mark:

http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=toc&state=nj0j62.1.1&p_search=searchstr&BackReference=&p_L=50&p_plural=no&p_s_PARA1=APEX&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA1%24ALL&expr=PARA1+and+PARA2&p_s_PARA2=Internet&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA2%24ALL&a_default=search&a_search=Submit+Query

(Sorry for the long URL ... got to tess.uspto.gov is you want to
construct your own search.)

Carl

Eamon wrote:

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Though the question below concerns the IETF's newly approved APEX 
specifications, its 
could really
be posed for the titles of the output of many working groups within IETF, so 
I am posting
this
question to the general IETF list. 
 
I know the official answer  to this question is "consult a good trademark 
lawyer", and I
know that
engineers are not qualified in trademark law, but would anyone have an 
"unoffical" comment
on the
trademark status of the term "APEX". 
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It's hard to predict what any given scum-sucking vermin, errr, IPR lawyer
  will do in any given situation.  IPR lawyers are roughly-equivalent to
  ambulance chasers, but I think the exposure is limited--unless our
  *specification* called APEX unduly confuses the customers of some
  computer/network vendor with a *product* called APEX, there isn't much of
  a case.  IPR lawyers, however, are notorious for creating 
entirely-artificial
  arenas of conflict where the reasonable person would argue that no such
  conflict exists.  I speak from bitter experience...



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