On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, John Brown wrote:
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Dean,
I would say that per Section 7 that as a member I have actual knowledge
and thus offer the opinion that your actions on this and other lists
that I've seen you post to, does not enhance the list, does not add
value to the process. Instead your actions are clearly intended to
disrupt and distract.
If it was up to me, I'd remove your account until such time as you
learned to play well with others.
You are the one who can't make any other argument except name-calling.
Name-calling does not enhance the list, and does not add value to the
process. Name-calling disrupts and distracts attention from technical
issues.
Indeed, the original anycast discussion in 2002 was disrupted by
name-calling and other attacks on Dr. Bernstein. Strangely enough, many
of the same people are now attacking me.
It is your actions that are __intended__ to disrupt and distract.
Otherwise, you'd have technical arguments that didn't depend on
personal attacks.
--Dean
Copyright 2004, John Brown, All rights reserved, redistribution requires
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Dean Anderson wrote:
The following message by Stephane Bortzmeye includes an inappropriate
personal attack in violation of the following sections of the ISOC Code of
Conduct: http://www.isoc.org/members/codeconduct.shtml
7 Only offer or claim to offer opinions or services that lie within the
member's actual knowledge or competence.
8 In the case of financial or material conflict between personal and
professional interests, or between two professional interests, declare
this conflict to all interested parties and if appropriate in public.
9 Respect the generally accepted norms of Internet etiquette for human
communications, especially by avoiding communications that are false or
are likely to be considered as discourteous, objectionable, malicious,
unwanted, or causing unjustified loss of prestige. Avoid fraudulent or
deceptive statements.
11 Treat all users and colleagues fairly and on equal terms.
And the message violates the following sections of the IETF Guidelines for
Conduct RFC 3184:
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3184.txt?number=3184
1. IETF participants extend respect and courtesy to their colleagues
at all times.
IETF participants come from diverse origins and backgrounds and
are equipped with multiple capabilities and ideals. Regardless of
these individual differences, participants treat their colleagues
with respect as persons--especially when it is difficult to agree
with them. Seeing from another's point of view is often
revealing, even when it fails to be compelling.
English is the de facto language of the IETF, but it is not the
native language of many IETF participants. Native English
speakers attempt to speak clearly and a bit slowly and to limit
the use of slang in order to accommodate the needs of all
listeners.
2. IETF participants develop and test ideas impartially, without
finding fault with the colleague proposing the idea.
We dispute ideas by using reasoned argument, rather than through
intimidation or ad hominem attack. Or, said in a somewhat more
IETF-like way:
"Reduce the heat and increase the light"
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