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Re: draft-phillips-langtags-08, process, specifications, "stability",  and extensions

2004-12-30 15:12:26
Full agreement. Thank you Tex.
This discussion now lead to nowhere and may delay the draft.

1. I have documented the needs and listed the discrepancies (only one asked a question on that, all the rest is noise over my comments on others positions - what is normal since the target was to comment a draft).

2. I have brought support to the current text with the necessary provision it is to replace RFC 3066 in the areas RFC 3066 was intended for in Jan 2001 with possible extensions preferably subject to IAB guidance concerted with external liaison WG. Otherwise I oppose it.

3. I have received enough documented support from serious lurkers or list members to have a good understanding of what is needed and how it should be addressed. To come as an outsider helps catalyzing existing but dormant propositions.

4. I suppose serious initial opponents/surprised experts have now understood most of what I documented, and need time to digest if and how it could/should be amalgamated in, or separated from, RFC 3066 ter.

I have no vocation to be a martyr of any IETF cause and I will from now on only respond private and constructive mails on this issue.

I thank all those who contributed and apologize to those I may have confused or teased (but it was a tease-back :-). It was a very interesting exchange which shown the complexity to share network generations cultures and layers. I learned a lot. Among others that my current needs "which do not exist" will be helped by others.

If some are interested I have just started the http://mail.jefsey.com/mailman/listinfo/ml_jefsey.com mailing list. Its only purpose is to discuss (not disputing) the way the Internet Standard Process can be used to document a multilingual Internet. This means questions such as :

- what would a multilingual internet mean and what users needs would it address
- can the current IETF/IESG Internet standard process adequately document it, under which conditions - what kind of architectural IAB guidance should be seek about a multilingual internet framework - should a WG-Multilingual be investigated or not and if yes with which charter to propose - what would be the impact of such a multilingual internet on the existing Internet documents and procedures and on NGN - what kind of preparatory work/standard/best proactice, studies, contacts, etc. would be necessary - how could this relate with other real world, users, standardization, intergovernance and WSIS entities.

I wish you all a nice 12/31 and an happy and fruitful multilingual new year!
jfc






At 22:02 30/12/2004, Tex Texin wrote:

As the number of question marks, exclamation marks, asterisks and other forms
of expressing digital shock and awe increase with each mail, I would like to
suggest a temporary cease and desist policy with respect to responding to JFC
until the chair chimes in, presumably after the holidays.

The discussion doesn't seem to be headed towards consistent understanding of
the policies and the discussion is no longer shedding much additional light.

JFC's mails deserve a response, (of which there have been several) but now we
are down a hole from which I do not see an end short of the chair clarifying
definitively the policies and either rejecting or supporting the objections.

The commentary doesn't seem to be affecting 3066bis at this point and probably
won't unless the chair directs the authors to do something specifically...

To the extent the discussion is taking time away from the finalizing of -09 or
other issues, it is delaying something that most have declared as needed asap. To the extent it may be causing reviewers to tune out of 3066bis discussion, it
is also harmful.

If there is are specific technical issues, they should continue to be
discussed.

My two cents.
Wishing everyone a happy and productive 2005, whereever you are in 001 land.
tex

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