Keith,
The implications you are drawing are exactly what is intended. When the
document said "treat as a submission" it meant exactly that.
Sam is correct here - the text as written is incorrect, even if it
accurately reflects the authors' intent.
You mean that you disagree with the authors' intent. That is quite different
from the document being "incorrect".
The document says what we meant, including the implications. If there is a
factual error -- and that is what "incorrect" means -- then please state it.
In other words, if you are coming from outside the network, you do not
get to "relay" through the network. You can post/submit from within,
you can deliver into the net or you can post/submit from outside.
This is wrong. "outside the network" is irrelevant. What matters is
whether you are authorized to use that MTA to submit messages to
recipients not in the domain(s) for which that MTA is authorized to accept
incoming mail.
I gave a case analysis for 3 conditions. I believe none of them was wrong and
that there is not a fourth case. If you feel otherwise, please provide detail.
Again, I believe you are confusing what your own views and preferences are, with
some sort of independent, objective reality.
"Outside the network" is exactly what we felt was relevant. It might be dandy
to phrase this as some more generic issue, but since this is an operations
document, for consumption by operations people, it is phrased in a way that is
useful to THEIR perspective.
SUBMISSION is relatively recent and it's use is still only for a portion
of the posting traffic on the Internet. From a practical standpoint,
port 25 is still heavily used; so that the two types of traffic are
still frequently multiplexed over 25. Hence any BCP concerning initial
posting needs to cover both ports.
There seems to be some ambiguity between treating an incoming
message as a submission and using the SUBMISSION protocol.
Well, I don't see the ambiguity, but I do see the confusion.
Submission is a hand-off from the From/Sender user realm to the mail handling
service. SUBMISSION is a particular port and service for doing submissions.
The document uses the term 'submission' to refer to the hand-off step. It quite
carefully distinguishes between the two ports through which submission is
currently done.
If you see any ambiguity, please explain where and what.
It seems prudent to clearly distinguish the two. And since treating
an incoming message as a submission has never been well-defined,
the term "incoming" is what causes the problem here. For every server, every
message that it receives is "incoming". that is true for msa's as well as mtas.
however i suspect what you mean, here, is 'coming from outside the network'.
since you earlier said that it is irrelevant, i'm not sure what your point is,
here.
d/
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