Harald,
Indeed, the IAB response concludes that the IESG has not
given sufficient justification for its decision in
Mr. Morfin's appeal, and that decision has been annulled.
The IAB's role here is one of review (in the appeal), not
directing the actions of IETF process.
If you require further direction, I refer you to the IESG.
Leslie.
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
Hello,
as the person responsible for the mailing list in question on Jefsey
Morfin's appeal that the IAB responded to on January 31, I have a
question for clarification, which has an immediate effect on what this
maintainer will do while this stuff is being processed.
Quoting from the IAB response, and trying to cover only the important
facts:
The IAB interpreted this appeal to be as follows:
The appeal concerns whether the IESG, in upholding the suspension of Mr.
Morfin's posting privileges to the ietf-languages mailing list, made an
incorrect decision.
.....we find there is no
specific mailing list management process RFC that applies.
While we find that neither RFC 3683 nor RFC 3934 directly apply
in this case, the IAB understands that the IETF must be able to
act in the face of ambiguity in "the rules." Indeed, it would be
a terrible outcome if we found the IESG's decision would have
been reasonable if neither RFC 3683 nor RFC 3934 existed, but now
unreasonable since the documents do exist but don't
apply.
Responsible parties
must be able to take action even if there is ambiguity or lack of
explicit coverage by specific process documents.
current list maintainer practice is only to block postings from
operationally-disruptive sources.
The IAB found that the response provided by the IESG in this
action did not provide sufficient justification to sustain the
banning of Mr. Morfin from the ietf-languages mailing list.
.........the IAB annuls the
IESG's decision in this appeal and sends the matter back to the
IESG for resolution.
I can interpret this ruling in two possible ways:
- The IAB has ruled that the IESG has not given sufficient justification
for its decision to uphold the suspension of Jefsey Morfin, and that
such a justification cannot include reference to "rules that apply by
analogy", but can only refer to "common and reasonable practice"
- The IAB has ruled that it is not permissible for a mailing list
maintainer to suspend anyone from an IETF-related mailing list for
anything but "operationally disruptive" reasons as long as there is no
specific rule authorizing such an action
(A secondary question is whether offtopic postings can be considered
"operationally disruptive" under the IAB's ruling. But if the first
interpretation is correct, this does not matter.)
Since I cannot tell which of the two rulings the IAB intended to hand
down, I cannot tell what the proper action for an IAB-respecting list
maintainer is until such a time that the IESG determines that there is
IETF consensus for a practice for mailing list suspension on IETF non-WG
mailing lists.
I would appreciate a clarification from the IAB.
Harald Alvestrand
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