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Re: DKIM reputation, was Re: Spammers answering TMDA Queries

2007-10-09 06:23:43
Tony Finch wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Keith Moore wrote:
  
It's a combination of several things - one, requiring that a domain
operate its own mail submission servers which sign their mail (and all
that that implies, like maintaining the private keys).
    

That's just part of running a mail system.
  
yes, but it's not inherently part of running a mail domain.  it's
unreasonable to require everyone to use mail submission servers that are
entrusted with their domain's DKIM private keys.
Two, many domains will be too small to develop enough of a reputation to
be whitelisted, and any spammer can create a temporary domain which will
have about as good a reputation as the vast majority of those domains.
    

Free domain tasting is a problem that affects lots of reputation system,
not just ones based on DKIM. If ICANN were to eliminate it lots of things
would become easier.
  
it's a problem even without "free domain tasting".
Also, at the moment negative reputation is more useful (or at least easier
to use) than positive reputation so I don't see neutral reputation as a
bad thing (er, by definition it isn't).
  
negative reputation of a domain is of minimal value, because spammers
will just get a new domain (or several) every time they wish to spam,
and the new domains will have neutral reputation.

Three, as long as people use Windows boxes, spammers will be able to
compromise them and hijack them to use them to originate mail on behalf
of their domains, thus degrading those domains' reputation.
    

The criminals can steal infected users' online banking credentials too,
which is far more worrying. Everyone has to keep their networks clean for
many reasons, not just spam.
  
nuclear war is more worrying too.  but that doesn't mean that the ease
in compromising PCs isn't a big contributor to the spam problem.  as for
"keeping...networks clean", well, of course people should try to do
that.  but as far as I can tell, so far it's more of a laudable goal
than a practical reality.

Keith


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