Re: One Day Pass Proposal was Re: One Day Pass for newcomers


On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:21 PM, James M. Polk wrote:

I think this doesn't address the concern about having a meetingagenda done before anyone needs to make travel adjustments. Quitesimply having the agenda done the week before any meeting in thepast 30 makes any flight or hotel booking adjustments laughable.
This pressure to have a more robust agenda will be amplified greatlyby those that count on sessions being on any one given day (say, onthat provided on any version of a draft agenda) -- and will possiblyexplode some individuals when any session *they* wanted to go togets moved off their day of choice.
I don't see this mentioned in Ray's proposal -- though I don't havea good suggestion to solve this, as many things go into getting theagenda done early, even though its availability hasn't delivered itany earlier.

These are valid observations, but I don't see that they affect thecurrent day pass proposal. We plan to allow freedom to change the passat will. While I would love to be able to change airline policy tomatch, I don't think they will listen to the IETF on this issue.


Regards
Marshall

James

At 03:00 PM 8/24/2009, David Harrington wrote:

Looks good to me.

I have concerns about #6, since it is fairly common that we run light
on food during the reception. And if there are limits on the
reception, then I think it reaosnable to favor those who paid for the
full week. But I can support the experiment.

Will One Day Pass first-timers be invited to the First-Time Attendees
reception as well?

dbh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On
> Behalf Of Ray Pelletier
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:37 PM
> To: Doug Barton
> Cc: John C Klensin; 'IETF-Discussion'
> Subject: One Day Pass Proposal was Re: One Day Pass for newcomers
>
> All;
>
> Let me offer a suggestion for which we would like to receive
> quick and
> constructive feedback so that the opening of the IETF 76
> registration
> will not be delayed.
>
> One Day Pass Program
>
> A person may purchase a One Day Pass to attend any one day of
> the IETF
> Meeting for $200.
>
> Benefits of the One Day Pass:
> 1. Attend all sessions during any one day of the Meeting, and
> partake
> of the food and beverage during the breaks that day
> 2. Day can be selected during online registration, but can be
> changed
> onsite without penalty
> 3. Payments may be made onsite without a late fee
> 4. Pass can be upgraded to a full Meeting Registration,
> however, late
> fee may apply if initial Pass payment not made before Early Bird
> deadline (Note: Intended to discourage gaming the system)
> 5. Attend Sunday Tutorials at no additional charge
> 6. Attend Sunday Welcome Reception at no additional charge
> 7. Attend Wednesday and Thursday Plenaries at no additional charge
> 8. Purchase a ticket 4 - 5 PM on Tuesday to attend the Host's
> Tuesday
> evening Social, if tickets are available
>
> Ray
> IAD
>
> On Aug 23, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
>
> > John C Klensin wrote:
> >>
> >> --On Sunday, August 23, 2009 14:18 -0700 Doug Barton
> >> <dougb(_at_)dougbarton(_dot_)us> wrote:
> >>
> >>> ...
> >>> So, if someone doesn't get at
> >>>> least a day pass, I'd be happier if we charged a nominal (even
> >>>> if only $10 - $20) fee for registration for the tutorial than
> >>>> just open the doors.
> >>
> >>> I disagree here. I think that opening the newcomer's session
> >>> and (if the host is agreeable) the reception on Sunday to all
> >>> comers would have way more benefits than costs. Of course we
> >>> would have to capitalize on all those fresh bodies by having
> >>> registration open and suitable promotional materials for both
> >>> full and one-day registration prominently (yet tastefully)
> >>> displayed.
> >>
> >> Doug,
> >>
> >> I think that the ability for active participants in the IETF to
> >> get into the reception and even eat is fairly important,
> >> probably more important than encouraging first-timers and
> >> visitors.  I hope that you would agree with that, even though we
> >> would both prefer to have no restrictions in that regard.
> >
> > I definitely agree that if I pay for IETF I want my shot at
> the dried
> > out chicken wings, yes. :)  FWIW I'm not trying to minimize your
> > concerns, which I think are valid. I simply think that reasonable
> > minds can differ on the cost/benefit analysis.
> >
> >> What caused my suggestion for a nominal fee and some sort of
> >> preregistration (which that fee would imply) was a vision of the
> >> IETF meeting in a location with nearby college campuses and the
> >> possibility of signs (possibly put up by third parties)
> >> advertising the reception and noting "free food" and, depending
> >> on the location and sponsor "free beer".  I leave the rest to
> >> your imagination.
> >
> > Well, you seem to have a darker view of human nature than I do,
and
> > that's saying something. There are ways to solve both problems I
> > think, such as setting aside the first 30 minutes for paid
> > participants and opening the doors wide after that.
> >
> > In any case I don't want to overengineer the social events. I
> > personally think that we should use the golden rule.
> Whoever pays the
> > gold for the event gets to make the rules.
> >

> > Regardless of where we come out on the socials I think it wouldbe

> > good to have some kind of consensus on opening the newcomer
session
> > and the plenaries, at minimum to those who pay for day
> passes (and IMO
> > for all comers). There's only a little over 2 months till
Hiroshima,
> > so it would be nice to have a settled policy on this
> soon-ish so that
> > people can make their plans appropriately.
> >
> >
> > Doug
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