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Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-intarea-server-logging-recommendations-02.txt> (Logging recommendations for Internet facing servers) to BCP

2011-02-25 11:35:33

I'd like to see a bit of text about privacy considerations added to this. For 
some servers, the advice in draft is fine but for many servers, I think logging 
this sort of information is an awful idea. It makes the owner of the server a 
subpoena target, possibly violates laws in some countries around personal 
identifying information, and will have no benefit for the operator of the 
server business or ability to debug, improve, or provide service. 

The draft should also point out that the source port, ip, and time does not 
uniquely identify a host behind the nat. Some NATs are designed so that two 
devices inside the NAT, call them A and B, are talking to different external 
servers, call them C and D. The NAT may use the same external IP and port on 
the NAT for the flow from A to C as it uses from the flow from B to D. The nat 
can different them looking at the 5 tuple. So if an email server sees a packet 
form a given IP port at the same time that a bittorent server sees packet from 
same IP and port, there is no guarantees that they came from the same host. 

This recommendation fails to say anything about what protocol one might use to 
log this information - given the rates of information from CGN the existing 
IETF logging protocols may not be appropriate. 

It seem to me that an BCP about what web, email, sip, and xmpp servers should 
do should probably be run by theses areas.


On Feb 25, 2011, at 8:04 AM, The IESG wrote:


The IESG has received a request from the Internet Area Working Group WG
(intarea) to consider the following document:
- 'Logging recommendations for Internet facing servers'
 <draft-ietf-intarea-server-logging-recommendations-02.txt> as a BCP

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
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The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-server-logging-recommendations/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-server-logging-recommendations/



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