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Re: [TLS] Last Call: <draft-kanno-tls-camellia-00.txt> (Additionx

2011-03-08 12:51:31
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Martin Rex <mrex(_at_)sap(_dot_)com> wrote:
Eric Rescorla wrote:

Marsh Ray wrote:

I think he's arguing that anything cut down to 96 bits represents a lousy
hash function allowing practical collisions on today's hardware.

Perhaps, but this isn't a digest but rather a MAC, and so the attack
model is different.

You seem to be forgetting that the finished messages have been reused
for other purposes already:

No, I'm not forgetting that. That doesn't change the fact that the
computation is
a MAC.


  RFC-5929 TLS Channel Bindings
  RFC-5746 TLS extension Renegotiation indication


I'm sorry, but I think it is a bad idea to use a flawed design for
the TLS finished message by subverting the collision resistence
of stronger secure hash functions that are used for the PRF.

Yes, I realize you think that, but until you offer a cryptographic
argument for that
opinion I guess we're just going to have to disagree.

-Ekr
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