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Re: Last Call: <draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt> (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-10-03 15:59:35
Brian,

I think that points that Huub is raising are:

a)  The text quoted from page 113 RFC 5317 "the architecture allows for a 
single OAM technology for LSPs, PWs" is being used as (part of) the 
rational for only having a single OAM solution, however page 12 of RFC 
5317 states that the subsequent slides represent an agreed starting point 
for the work.

b) The IETF have developed two different solutions, one for LSP and 
another for PWs and this confirms that the quoted text was just a starting 
point.

I agree with you that, in some cases for good reasons, more than one 
solution is developed and deployed.

Regards,

Malcolm




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Huub,

On 2011-09-30 20:19, Huub van Helvoort wrote:
All,

Section 1,1 also contains the text:
   [RFC5317] includes the analysis that "it is technically feasible that
   the existing MPLS architecture can be extended to meet the
   requirements of a Transport profile, and that the architecture allows
   for a single OAM technology for LSPs, PWs, and a deeply nested
   network."

This is a quote from slide 113 in the PDF version of RFC5317 and should
be read in realtion to the statement on slide 12 of the same RFC:

"This presentation is a collection of assumptions, discussion points
 and decisions that the combined group has had during the months of
 March and April, 2008
 This represents the *agreed upon starting point* for the technical
 analysis of the T-MPLS requirements from the ITU-T and the MPLS
 architecture to meet those requirements"

So the quoted text in the draft is one of the assumptions.

The fact that there are currently *two* OAM mechanisms (and not a
*single*), i.e. one for PW and one for LSP proves that the assumption
was not correct.

I'm sorry, I don't understand your logic. You seem to be saying that
the fact that two solutions have been designed proves that the assumption
that a single solution is possible was false. That doesn't follow at
all. The engineering profession has a long history of producing multiple
solutions where a single one was possible, and this seems to be just
another such case.

This isn't news. I quote from RFC 1958 (June 1996):

"  3.2 If there are several ways of doing the same thing, choose one.
   If a previous design, in the Internet context or elsewhere, has
   successfully solved the same problem, choose the same solution unless
   there is a good technical reason not to.  Duplication of the same
   protocol functionality should be avoided as far as possible, without
   of course using this argument to reject improvements."

        Brian
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