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Re: Please review draft-housley-rfc2050bis-00.txt

2013-03-20 14:04:13
On Mar 19, 2013, at 9:30 PM, David Farmer <farmer(_at_)umn(_dot_)edu> wrote:
I wonder if it wouldn't be appropriate to at least provide some suggestions 
for how this is to be accomplished.  Maybe request that future RFCs related 
to these technical and operational considerations include an applicability 
statement as to the Internet Numbers Registry System, either in a separate 
section or maybe as a sub-section of the IANA Considerations.

This evolution is discussed in Section 4.  Maybe a forward pointer is 
needed.  Did you not find Section 4 sufficient?

I saw that, it says;

  In addition, in the cases where the IETF sets technical
  recommendations for protocols, practices, or services which are
  directly related to IP address space or AS numbers, such
  recommendations must be taken into consideration in Internet Numbers
  Registry System policy discussions regardless of venue.

This is good, but I read it as saying the IR system, and the RIR's in 
particular, are obligated to consider the technical recommendations of the 
IETF when making policy.  That is only part of the equation.

I was looking for the other side, "the IETF is obligated to maintain clear, 
relevant, and up to date technical recommendations for the IR system, 
including how such recommendations are intended to apply to the IR system."

David - 

  Two points:

  1) Language along the lines of "the IETF is obligated to ..." really 
     isn't going to work, as the point of the RFC2050 revision is to 
     document existing relationships supporting the Internet Numbers
     Registry System, using pointers to existing source documents to
     the greatest extent possible.  Even if there were 100% agreement
     to the concept, it would not be appropriate to establish it via
     this document which is intended for "Informational" publication.

  2) More importantly, who is "the IETF" in such a construct?  Would 
     such a task (of periodically pondering if these recommendations
     need updating) fall to the IAB or IESG?  (I hadn't realized that 
     they needed extra work... ;-)   I believe that when you consider 
     that "we" each individually are the IETF (i.e. all of the folks 
     who participate in the working groups and writing drafts) then 
     it is clear that any "obligation" to update these technical 
     recommendations periodically would fall to those with an interest 
     in keeping them current.  You might even say that's what Russ,
     David, Geoff, and I are finally getting around to doing via this
     draft, at least for one of the key documents.

FYI,
/John

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