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Re: [Internetgovtech] Guiding the Evolution of the IANA Protocol Parameter Registries

2014-03-12 18:42:39
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From: l(_dot_)wood(_at_)surrey(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk 
Date:03/12/2014  5:59 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: gih(_at_)apnic(_dot_)net,steve(_at_)shinkuro(_dot_)com 
Cc: internetgovtech(_at_)iab(_dot_)org,ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
Subject: Re: [Internetgovtech] Guiding the Evolution of the IANA Protocol
        Parameter Registries 

All intellectual property rights in the content of the registries remains 
that of the IETF,

Since IETF is an ISOC activity, and ISOC is the organisation that will be 
involved in intellectual property disputes (see RFC2031) isn't that really ISOC 
ownership?

Lloyd Wood
http://about.me/lloydwood
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From: ietf [ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of Geoff Huston 
[gih(_at_)apnic(_dot_)net]
Sent: 12 March 2014 20:50
To: Steve Crocker
Cc: internetgovtech(_at_)iab(_dot_)org; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org Mailing List
Subject: Re: Guiding the Evolution of the IANA Protocol Parameter Registries

Hi Steve,

Firstly I should reiterate that this is not about ICANN. I agree wholeheartedly 
with the "important observation" in Russ's posting, and I am very heartened to 
read your undertaking relating to ICANN having no intellectual property 
interests in the material it publishes in this role as protocol parameter 
registry operator. For me, it was very welcome as a statement at the meeting, 
and equally welcome as a statement here, and, while I can only speak 
personally, I would like to sincerely extend my thanks for making this 
undertaking.

My posting was not about the specific, but about the principle. I believe it to 
be incumbent on the IETF to clearly state the principle, namely that the 
operator of a protocol parameter registry is doing so at the specific behest of 
the IETF, and as an agent of the IETF. All intellectual property rights in the 
content of the registries remains that of the IETF, and does not vest with the 
registry operator. This is desire that I believe is entirely consistent with 
your undertaking that ICANN as a protocol parameter registry operator makes no 
such claim, however I suppose I am wanting this to be a principle that applies 
generally.

As to folk changing their mind in the future, its true that the future is a 
constant source of surprise to us, and statements that include terms such as 
"never" or "forever" are constantly being mocked by the unfolding of time. But 
I don't think we need to cross every bridge here - we can at best set forth our 
values and principles on the day and hope that our successors at least consider 
what we were trying to achieve and why we thought it to be important as they 
make their changes to suit their world. These principles appear to be an 
earnest effort in that direction.

kind regards,

   Geoff


On 13 Mar 2014, at 7:07 am, Steve Crocker <steve(_at_)shinkuro(_dot_)com> wrote:

Geoff, et al,

I made a statement in the igovupdate session and I’ll reiterate here in the 
spirit of using the list as the definitive record and not the face to face 
session.

ICANN has NO intellectual property interests in the material it publishes.  
My understanding of copyright law is that copyright attaches to the creator 
of content, irrespective of whether they register that copyright.  (There is 
utility in registering copyrights  I am not enough of expert to expound on 
those details, nor do I think they’re relevant to this discussion.)

During the discussion in the igovupdate session I heard brief mention of 
possible issues regarding various RFCs and registries over the years.  These 
pertained to various government agencies and others, but did not involve 
ICANN.

If the community desires a formal document saying what I’ve said above, I 
will personally shepherd it through our system.

Let me address two other points, one that is mentioned below and one that is 
entirely separate.

I believe the scenario of moving the protocol parameter registries to another 
operator has already been explored.  I am given to understand that the IETF 
has conducted exercises that mirror these registries.  I am not familiar with 
the details.  The IAOC is probably the best group to say more about this.  In 
any case, I don’t think would be problematic and as a matter of good business 
practice we will cooperate with any reasonable exercise or demonstration to 
provide that assurance.

Something that occurred to me during the discussion which I have not seen 
mentioned before is the following.  All of us follow the principle that the 
information created by the IETF is available to anyone, anywhere, without 
cost.  What would happen if the IETF changes its position and requires IANA 
to either restrict its distribution of information and/or charge for it?  I 
think we’d have to think carefully about that.  Would the IETF be willing to 
assert as part of its principles that it won’t do such a thing?

Thanks,

Steve Crocker
Chair, ICANN Board of Directors


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