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Re: California electric power on the ragged edge

2000-08-05 14:50:03
QUESTION: What meaneth "Elvis is in the building..."

ANSWER: (Michael Jackson) "No Hablas Ingles!" (Simon!)

  Humorous aside aside, there seems to be a lack of 
participation in decision making in the creation of
infra-structure worldwide. For instance, TURKEY may
have to use it's water sources to create ELECTRICTY
for
some neighboring countries. Micro-Management is the
preferred tool for a world which needs BIG SOLUTIONS! 
The way to do 'that' is one must first "DROP THE ACT!"

Really! We DO NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS AND WE CANNOT
PULL ALL THE STRINGS AND MAKE EVERYTHING 'work!' (Not
much longer, that is, BECAUSE, the INTERNET....will
INTERFER!, YES! CAUSING these future FAILURES!)

  Why is that? Becuase the "CARRYING CAPACITY" of the
'world' isn't POPULATION BASED only! It is in the
distributive cycles. If I make a bicycle in Borneo,
and want to sell it in Hollnad, I first have to
"clear"
it with the 'COMMISSARS!" (CAPITAL-COMMUNE Cabal)The
idea that a SOLUTION is being "APPROXIAMTED" does not
ENTER THE "EQUATION" with these DINOSAURS! REALLY! It
is all "BEGGINNERS LUCK!" for them! Thgis NEW WCONOMY
is NO MORE "THEIR WORK" or A controllable feature of
the financial landscape;then the Man-in-the-Moon 'is!'

  As the POWER Situation, the INTERNET, NEW
TECHNOLOGY, and GOVERNMENT POLICIES and the WORLD
ECONOMIES are constructs now in the sense of being
INTERDEPENDENT 'mirrors' it would behoove the
DIRECTORS of the various FACTIONS to try and "pull
together" by.....SEPERATION! (Division of LABOR!
Micro-MANAGEMENT!)

  IN this emanner the ECONOMY will PROVIDE 'centers'
in
which the best of all possible scenarios willl result,

  To plan for this NOW is "just in time!" I would like
ot see a CONSORTIUM of INDIVIDUALS who want to BRING
the 'NET up to date to be BROUGHT ON BOARD and SOON
and
not as "volunteers" but to "DIRECT the DIRECTORS in
the RIGHT DIRECTIONS!" It can be done-and ONLY some
real FOOLS will allow for the disapation of the
ECONOMY due to the undermining of the INTERNET! 

 Let me hear your thoughts on this! Thanks




--- "Greg A. Woods" <woods(_at_)weird(_dot_)com> wrote:

[ On Friday, August 4, 2000 at 12:19:05 (+0100),
Alex Bligh wrote: ]
Subject: Re: California electric power on the
ragged edge 

FWIW this is the justification many regulators
elsewhere (i.e.
not in the US) gave for what I guess is the
power/water/gas
equivalent of 'local loop unbundling' (I can by my
electricity
from about 10 people here, though they all use the
same transmission
system), and keeping the grid separate from the
supply company.

As is the case here in Ontario, Canada (as of this
year).  We now get
sales goofs from all kinds of new "energy" companies
knocking on our
doors and trying to use scare tactics to get us to
sign up with them.

I think we may even have something similar happening
with natural gas,
though there the primary supplier (Consumers Gas) is
literally well
embedded in most Ontario cities.

When large utilities were all government owned here
it didn't make much
difference, but with privitisation all the rage
something had to be done
in such a way to allow industry to participate
without totally screwing
the consumer.  What I'm as yet unsure of is what
this scheme does to
affect the ability of individuals to generate power
and sell it to the
grid.  Since here in Ontario it seems the grid will
continue to be owned
by the government owned power company, policitcal
will can make it
possible.  Of course there's always the possibility
of forming a big
enough co-operative amongst microgenerators to
represent their cause to
the big bad grid owners.

Interestingly I see in my APC Solutions product
magazine that arrived
this morning that California was already 3%
undercapacitly in terms of
generation in 1995, and will be 6% under in this
year.  In fact the map
printed in there ("source: Computesite", whatever
that is) almost all of
the USA, except for the North West, was already
under capacity in 1995
and is most certainly well under capacity now
(presumably they mean for
peak load periods).  All I can say to you Americans
on the list is "Want
to buy a few new Candu reactors?"  :-) The only
other realistic solution
I can see is for the *average* person and company to
start considering
generating at least some of their own power.

Larger customers (data centers) can indeed use
separate transmission
arrangements if appropriate. The subway system
here does deals
power deals in London with dig (it self generates
too), and
so do various other slightly unexpected utilities.

Would it make sense for a datacentre in Sunny Calif.
to become its own
generating facility and of course to resell its
excess power back to the
grid?  Burning diesel to generate electricity is
obviously not cost
effective nor is it environmentally friendly when
done in any
concentration, but perhaps a sufficiently large bank
of solar panels and
some wind power on the roof too, as well as a big
enough bank of
batteries would allow someone to buy only cheap
power overnight to top
up the batteries while the sun doesn't shine,
selling excess generation
capacity back to the grid when the sun shines bright
while the wind
blows!  I don't know what the economics of building
a battery bank that
big are though, not to mention the zoning
regulations on having big sun
and wind collectors might be....

-- 
                                                      Greg A. Woods

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