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RE: Change control

2011-01-20 15:58:18
The only thing I can dream up (without an example) is that the submitting 
organization's version of something and the IETF's version end up diverging, 
and the submitting organization doesn't like that.  To wit, the submitting 
organization wanted the added credibility of the "RFC" label without any 
substantive changes to the material.  But that strikes me as a failure of due 
diligence more than anything.

Caveat emptor.


From: Phillip Hallam-Baker [mailto:hallam(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:16 PM
To: Murray S. Kucherawy
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: Change control

That is why I really want to see a specific example of harm (which I note SM 
has refused to do).

This is the sort of case where it is very easy to make the wrong decision if 
people are allowed to waffle on about what they imagine to be high principle 
when the rules were made the way they are to support important real world 
requirements.

If we are to discuss this further, I want to see an example.

<eom>

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy 
<msk(_at_)cloudmark(_dot_)com<mailto:msk(_at_)cloudmark(_dot_)com>> wrote:
To be honest, I'm not even clear on what the issue is.

If an organization creates a BCP in its own context based on the experiences of 
its constituents, and then the IETF uses that material to inform its own BCP on 
the same subject, and reasonable permission and attribution are given, what 
constitutes "change control"?  The IETF controls its version, and the other 
organization controls its own.

For example, OpenBSD was forked from NetBSD.  Who now has change control?  Does 
that even mean anything?

Apart from copyright matters, I think the only problem arises when there's 
debate over whose version is the "official" one.  But that's a matter of the 
perception that exists outside of the two organizations.  Otherwise, aren't 
they merely two perspectives on the same subject matter, and that's that?

-MSK
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