yes, yes…
however there are more than a decades worth of IDs that carry no ISOC/IETF
copyright. For those, the rights exist only with the authors.
As a condition of publication was the fact that they were intended/expected to
be ephemeral and the IETF right to publish expired six months
after initial publication.
It would be a real shame to have the IETF and its participants knowingly
violate others rights by republication of their works without explicit
written permission. This is not the first time this has come up in an IETF
context and is certainly discoverable as evidence of willful intent to steal
intellectual property of others.
so Warren, it might be wise to consider the scope of your efforts and if you
choose to go after early materials, consider the prudence of getting
prior, written permission before making blanket presumptions of propriety or
legality.
/bill
Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet.
On 16July2014Wednesday, at 20:59, Brian E Carpenter
<brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:
On 17/07/2014 15:08, manning bill wrote:
just a heads up. if any of my expired drafts show up that predate IETF
copyright, expect a takedown notice.
I hope you're aware that ISOC ceded its rights to the IETF Trust,
so drafts carrying the ISOC copyright wording should belong to the IETF too.
Brian
i am pretty sure you will get the same type of response from Joe Touch.
/bill
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On 16July2014Wednesday, at 19:30, Dean Willis
<dean(_dot_)willis(_at_)softarmor(_dot_)com> wrote:
On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Adrian Farrel
<adrian(_at_)olddog(_dot_)co(_dot_)uk> wrote:
Interesting, Warren.
I used to use waterspring and still have an annoying bookmark that
autocompletes when I start to type www.wat...
At the time that waterspring was set up we didn't archive old versions of
I-Ds and once an I-D had expired it disappeared (related issues, but
separately annoying). That is no longer the case, so the (UI aside) the
main residual value would be retrieving the archive of old I-Ds and I am
not so sure how useful that is, but archivists and IPR lawyers might
comment).
Yes, actually I was just about to post a note calling for helping finding
some list archives from 1996-2000 that appear to be mostly missing from the
IETF site.
The same thing applies to lots of old I-D. These can be critically useful
in knocking out nuisance patents. We need them very, very much.
—
Dean