At 23:19 -0400 4/16/03, waltdnes(_at_)waltdnes(_dot_)org wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 09:10:31PM -0400, Jim Youll wrote
Please...
- either set your MUA to wrap at 72 characters or, failing that
- turn off wrapping altogether and let my MUA wrap your message.
Then I won't see garbage like...
Please get a mailer that was built in the late 20th or early 21st
century, or just filter my stuff if you don't like it. Coplaints like
that don't belong on any mailing list after 1998.
> The best things ISP could do would be to know their customers and
close accounts after any spamming incident... and then banning
spammers from becoming customers.
This will work at a Mom-n-Pop outfit. How is AOL, MSN, Earthlink, etc
supposed to "know" their customers ?
Citibank seems to pull it off at its branches, and every other large bank,
and every brokerage, wireline phone company, and service provider of just
about every kind, where there is a recurring relationship. It wouldn't
take much. In fact AOL does discourage this by tying accounts to
credit cards and phone numbers, both of which, if there were a 1:1
mapping to a person, are effective limiters to identity-hopping because
both are fairly slow to acquire.
This is only a question of will, not of ability.
> I believe a non-technological repair for the present spamming
> problem would be to simply allow some assignment of responsibility to
> ISPs (look, they are already responsible for DMCA enforcement, FBI
> wiretaps, subpoenas for any reason) so that ISPs would be obligated
> to act when complaints are received.
"look, they are already responsible for DMCA enforcement". I don't
think you fully realize the implications of combining clueless SpamCop
users plus ambulance-chasing lawyers. Consider...
1) http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0212.html and what happened
when someone put up "Portrait of mrs. harrison Williams 1943.jpg." and
the RIAA's lawyers, on behalf of George Harrison, sent a cease-and-desist
letter to the hosting ISP
2) And let's not forget...
http://distribution.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=581265&listName=dev
>> Wednesday, February 26, 2003
There will always be outrageous events. These examples are instructive with
regard to how stupid-people can make a mess of things, but don't demonstrate
anything conclusive. Stupid-people will boggle up just about anything you
hand them. The interesting bit is building things that they can boggle
up without breaking.
The law must and will be applied to solve parts of this problem. There is no
other area of human existence that is not governed by laws that can
be called into
play in the face of un-civil/hostile/unwanted behavior by others. If you care
to discount it, that's fine. But it will happen anyway, and given that,
we could do productive work to make enforcement easier. Kee Hinckley suggested
as much just a few messages back.
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