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Re: [Asrg] Handling of abusive DNSBL/WL clients

2011-12-25 13:21:39
On 11-12-22 04:24 PM, Matthias Leisi wrote:
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Chris 
Lewis<clewis+ietf(_at_)mustelids(_dot_)ca>  wrote:

The DNSBL shutdown process would _also_ be perfectly appropriate for
blocking abusive DNS queries, _without_ listing the world, _and_ by its very
nature shedding the abusive queries.

Note that the case referred to by the OP is not about shutting down a
DNSxL, but about signaling to client applications (and
resolvers/forwarders) that their use is considered not acceptable by
the operator of the service.

I realized that before I commented.

The point is that the "shutdown procedure" has the right result - shedding load and trying to signal to client applications that they should stop querying it. All without touching any client code whatsoever. A more sophisticated client could check the name server returned and thereby identify immediately that the DNSBL is in shutdown mode (if for an individual querier or in general).

Unfortunately, a straightforward REFUSED rcode results in a three-fold
increase in queries due to retries in most cases. A dedicated return
value which would cause at least certain applications to at least
temporarily suspend queries is helpful.

The problem is that with the installed base, returning any A record (whether 127/8 or not) has the risk of causing "list the world" behaviour in the client.
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