Re: [ietf-dkim] draft-fenton-dkim-threats-00

On Oct 5, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Jim Fenton wrote:

> Douglas Otis wrote:
>
> > On Oct 5, 2005, at 9:57 AM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
> >
> > I agree, there should be greater clarity with regard to realistic   
> > defenses offered by the DKIM mechanism, especially in the third- 
> > party  scenario you described.
> Do you really agree?  I read Phill's comment as "we could go on  
> forever, but this is pretty good now" while I read yours as "needs  
> improvement".

I agreed with the focus and concern of there being possibly  
indefinite discussion with respect to all possible exploits.  Phillip  
also highlighted the importance of establishing who accepts  
"responsibility".  I don't wish to demean your excellent work on this  
draft, but I remain troubled by how threat protection is envisioned.

> On good advice, I steered clear of the topic of repudiation.  Is  
> there someplace the document implies repudiation protection?

Avoiding repudiation was not heeded within the DKIM draft abstract  
that explains intent. : (
Clarity is also lacking within the threat document regarding what is  
meant by the term identity or address.  I assume without "IP"  
prefixing address, address or identity means a header's mailbox  
address such as RFC2822 From or Sender.

An excerpt from your draft:
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5.1. Use of Arbitrary Identities

This class of bad acts includes the sending of messages which aim to  
obscure the identity of the actual sender. In some cases the actual  
sender might be the bad actor, or in other cases might be a third- 
party under the control of the bad actor (e.g., a compromised computer).
DKIM is effective in mitigating against the use of addresses not  
controlled by bad actors, but is not effective against the use of  
addresses they control. In other words, the presence of a valid DKIM  
signature does not guarantee that the signer is not a bad actor. It  
also does not guarantee the accountability of the signer, since that  
is limited by the extent to which domain registration requires  
accountability for its registrants. However, accreditation and  
reputation systems can be used to enhance the accountability of DKIM- 
verified addresses and/or the likelihood that signed messages are  
desirable.
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A reputation mechanism can be safely established to accrue behavioral  
information of the signer.  How can reputation be extended to include  
"addresses" and "identities"?  What protection is possible without  
reputation assessments?
A DKIM signature in fact _does_ guarantee the accountability of the  
signer.  It simply does not guarantee their behavior.  That is why  
reputation in the form of white-lists, accreditation, or reputation  
services is _required_.  Reputation is _not_ an enhancement.
By attempting to extend DKIM to include the protection of "addresses"  
in the generic sense, there is danger entering into a quagmire.   
Nothing can be accrued with respect to the "address" in terms of bad  
behavior without implying the signer is also not trustworthy.  This  
creates a serious paradox.
Only when the "address" and the signer are the same, would it be  
possible to safely make assertions of behavior, but then of course  
extending assertions of behavior to the "address" would not be  
required.  I see little within the threat analysis that clarifies  
this limitation.  I am not comfortable with promises that "address"  
protection is limited to just repudiation.
The threat draft makes what I see as rather dangerously broad  
generalizations.  It becomes a perilous situation to consider  
establishing a matrix of authorizations with respect to signers.   
Such an assessment scheme would depend upon an unaccounted signer  
where repudiation _must_ be the sole objective.  Just as "Repudiation  
MailFrom" became "Sender Authentication", there is a real danger the  
limited benefits of repudiation will be extended by unfair reputation  
assessments.
Inappropriate use of reputation can be prevented by simply limiting  
the purported protection to just the signing domain.  Presume a fair  
reputation scheme on the basis of the signer offers a full spectrum  
of protections.  This protection can be slightly enhanced by safe  
assertions the domain signs all their own mail.  Perhaps this type of  
assertion could even be extended to also disallow the resending of  
their mail.
On a related topic, adding an opaque-identifier greatly extends the  
protections made possible by DKIM that are discounted in this draft.   
Importantly, these identifiers permit replay abatement.  Alas,  
without prompt curtailment of abusive replays, reputation does not  
offer dependable protection, nor will DKIM.  Zombies are far too  
prevalent.
-Doug
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