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Re: [ietf-dkim] Domain Existence Check and Erroneous Abstract

2008-06-05 11:45:54

On Jun 5, 2008, at 4:23 AM, Charles Lindsey wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:46:18 +0100, Douglas Otis <dotis(_at_)mail- 
abuse.org>
wrote:

This touches a significant issue.  The rfc2822.From fields may  
contain addresses that will _not_ resolve any DNS resource records  
for protocols other than SMTP.  For example, Microsoft Exchange was  
initially based upon X.400 recommendations in the 1980s by the  
Consultative Committee of International Telephone and Telegraph  
(CCITT), now known as Telecommunications Standardization Sector of  
the International Telecommunication Union (ITU-T).  As a result,  
use of X.400 addresses means it is fairly common to find email- 
address domains that do not exist whatsoever within DNS.  An  
NXDOMAIN result with respect to an X.400 MS Exchange email-address  
is completely meaningless.

Then please could you provide us with a full example that could  
actually happen, starting from an X.400 email that somehow got  
tranformed into an RFC 2822 object that contained unresolvable  
domains, and which yet managed to acquire a DKIM signature (not  
necessarily by anything in the From header) and was also capable of  
being replied to by its recipient.

If such a beast can exist, then we need to take note of it, but i am  
not aware that it could exist.

Many companies use MS Exchange rather than normal SMTP servers.  MS  
Exchange permits creation of mail addresses unreachable by SMTP, since  
these domains may only exist through an internal X.400 assignment.   
While some companies find this a desirable feature, it is often a PITA  
for users of this service.  While a parent domain may wish to assert  
ADSP practices, MS Exchange related email sub-domains can be created  
for various purposes without publishing _any_ record within DNS.  The  
MUA will therefore receive a mixture of SMTP and MS Exchange messages,  
but this would only create a problem with specific domains for users  
of the MS Exchange service.

One common solution is to forward out of MS Exchange to an SMTP  
server, but where the "special" sub-domains within the company's email  
are then unable to receive an SMTP response.  In my case, there are  
also many parent domains within various TLDs to examine as well.   
Asking how these messages receive a DKIM signature misses the point.   
There would be little value using DKIM for messages normally  
restricted to a corporate MS Exchange.

ADSP should be defined as offering practices for SMTP, and not MS  
Exchange, Lotus Notes, NNTP, etc.  Protocol gateways will be impaired  
by an application of ADSP that preclude acceptance from domains not  
supporting SMTP.  When an Author Domain asserts even a CLOSED  
practice, a protocol gateway problem can not be mitigated by only  
testing for NXDOMAIN when a bridged protocol has not implemented  
DKIM.  Receiving messages from protocols other than SMTP requires  
exceptions be made when applying ADSP.  In any case, ADSP can not be  
universally applied at the MUA.

-Doug
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