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RE: more hand waving about mailing lists

2004-12-06 09:59:54

I think that the requirements are reversed here. The onus is on the
signature format to be list-friendly which at this point requires the
ability to append stuff on the end of a message. 

I think that the S/MIME and PGP signature formats are both problematic at
best, they appear to be afterthoughts to a spec whose main purpose is
encryption. Separating out signature and encryption makes a huge anmount of
sense. XML signature was deliberately created to allow for signatures to be
addres transparently to legacy envelopes.

        phill

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ietf-mailsig(_at_)mail(_dot_)imc(_dot_)org 
[mailto:owner-ietf-mailsig(_at_)mail(_dot_)imc(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of David 
Woodhouse
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:56 AM
To: Michael Thomas
Cc: John Levine; ietf-mailsig(_at_)imc(_dot_)org; dwing(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com
Subject: Re: more hand waving about mailing lists



On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 07:48 -0800, Michael Thomas wrote:
David Woodhouse writes:
 > We don't need to know all possible ways. We know that by far the 
most  > common is the addition of a few lines of text, and IIM can 
already cope  > with that. That's enough for us, I think. The 
remaining breakage should  > be very uncommon.

And... re-mailers can change their behavior to be signature 
friendly 
too. Which ought to be encouraged for S/MIME, etc anyway.

Yes, but we need to be very careful here. You can perhaps get 
away with requiring change in a _few_ esoteric situations, 
but you really can't do that for all mailing lists. You can't 
stop people from adding the footer to list traffic which 
tells the idiots^Wsubscribers how to unsubscribe without 
spamming the list with their requests.

-- 
dwmw2



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