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Re: Motion to abandon Sender ID

2004-09-01 16:28:44

Jonathan Gardner wrote:

Therefore, I move that Sender ID be removed from the MARID recommendations because it can never be a standard in the open source community due to its licensing terms and the uncertainty of pending patent claims. In its place, we should recommend SPF version 1, or SPF "classic", as currently adopted and implemented by over 70,000 recorded domains.


A few comments. First of all, we do not know whether the IPR claims extend to SPF classic or not. While the IPR disclosure does not mention the SPF draft, I have contacted Microsoft's legal department several times in the past 9 months to obtain a clear answer as to whether all of the drafts produced in the ASRG as input to MARID including RMX, SPF and others, are in fact covered or not covered. To date, I have not received an answer, and we have not heard directly from the legal department. However, it does happen often that IPR claims are submitted even after the standard is published as mentioned in RFC 3669, so SPF classic might not be any better than Sender-ID. Here is a copy of the email I sent and a reply I received:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Caller ID license
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:58:00 -0800
From: Dawna Hoerle (LCA)
To: Yakov Shafranovich
CC: Microsoft Standards Inquiries <stdsreq(_at_)microsoft(_dot_)com>

Thank you for your inquiry. I will route your request to the appropriate persons, who will respond to you as quickly as possible.
Dawna
-----Original Message-----
From: Yakov Shafranovich Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:27 PM
To: Microsoft Standards Inquiries
Subject: Caller ID license

I co-chair the Anti-Spam Research Group (ASRG) of the IRTF
(www.irtf.org/asrg/). My question is regarding the Caller ID proposal
that Microsoft has recently published (www.microsoft.com/spam/). I want
to know whether you are going to be claiming similar IP claims on the
following IETF drafts:

    MTAMARK - draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark-01.txt
    DRIP - draft-brand-drip-02.txt
    RMX - draft-danisch-dns-rr-smtp-03.txt
    DMP - draft-fecyk-dmp-01.txt
    SPF - draft-mengwong-spf-00.txt
    FSV - draft-levine-fsv-00.txt

Yakov

Second point - at this time Microsoft has no patent or any other IP relevant to this and is not forcing anyone to take out a license. Therefore, no license is required as of today. We are talking about a *possible* patent that *may be* approved in the future. As Microsoft states in their FAQ:

Q4: When do you need to execute a license with Microsoft?
A: At this time Microsoft is only aware of pending patent application claims 
that cover its
submission of the Sender ID specification. Because Microsoft is not aware of 
any issued patent
claims, Microsoft does not require any one to sign a license with Microsoft to 
implement the
Sender ID specification or any part of it that is incorporated into IETF 
working drafts.

Third point - as others and I posted before, there is serious doubt as to whether this patent is actually valid or enforceble in light of possible prior art. As of today, this technology is not encumbered by any patents and may stay that away if the patent application is not approved. Additionally, it is feasible that at least some of the claims if not all are deriving from the discussions in the ASRG and other groups, and therefore may be complete frivilous. The IDN WG faced that situation before as described in RFC 3669 and chose to ignore the claims.

Yakov