Cédric,
I think we are all in agreement on that and Alex's standard comparison with
Arilines is the best image. Giving detailed infromation would be not only
undisclosure and security breaches, but it would be unecessary and confusing.
The problem is the wording confusion that Markus seems to
introduce/maintain between operators cooperating OPES domains and
organizer's global OPES system.
If BNP jointly uses FT and UTEL (and may be others) OPES resources, the
only information I am ready to pass to you (and you to me I guess) are that
the UTEL OPES domain was invovled, when, how (domain name, etc.). Yet if
BNP wants support we will describe their whole set-up as the BNP OPES system.
A+
jfc
At 14:35 14/08/03, GOUTARD Cédric FTRD/DMI/CAE wrote:
Markus,
>From a carrier and/or ISP point of view, your arguments are completely
relevant.
Indeed, the "OPES system" could give information about the services it
provides but nothing about the number of OPES processors, their IP
address, their specific version...
I hope that this comment will help finding a "deployable" solution.
Regards
Cedric
[ France Telecom R&D ]
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Markus Hofmann [mailto:markus(_at_)mhof(_dot_)com]
Envoyé : lundi 11 août 2003 19:37
À : ietf-openproxy(_at_)imc(_dot_)org
Objet : Re: [end points comm] OPES System
The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman wrote:
> I think the concept of an "OPES system" being traceable, without
> requiring each OPES processor to be traceable, is unsupportable. It
> will not satisfy anyone, and it will lead to endless arguments about
> what constitutes compliance.
If I recall correctly, there were two arguments that lead to this concept:
(1) Carriers are typically hesitant to reveal information about their
internal network infrastructure, i.e. they don't want to provide
information (e.g. the IP address) about their internal network elements.
(2) OPES processors might be configured to use non-routable, private
IP addresses inside a carrier's network. How would they be identified?
A user having problems/concerns would trace and contact the carrier
who provided an OPES service (without tracing the exact OPES
processor/callout server). It's up to the carrier to have maintained
approriate internal detailed traces to find the answer to the
customer's inquery.
Anyone any thoughts or comments on that issue? This is a very
important topic and we must get WG consensus on it, so please post
your views to the mailing list!
-Markus
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