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RE: S/MIME counter-signature: comment and question -Reply

1997-12-17 06:26:45
Trevor,

First, I sure this news will have hit the grapevine by now, but if not the
following URL will be of great interest to the group...

http://www.cesg.gov.uk/ellisint.htm

It describes CESG's prior invention of RSA and DH ;-)

Secondly,

Trevor Freeman <trevorf(_at_)microsoft(_dot_)com> 12/16 6:13 pm >>>
Tim,
If you want to show unequivocally you sent the message then you construct
a new signing data layer with the existing data nested within, rather than
add a new signer info block to the existing signed. If you want to know
the sequence a series of parallel signatures where constructed then use
time to differentiate the signatures.
Trevor

I think the issue that Tim was trying to convey is that there is no way of
preventing somebody else from adding their signature to your SignedData. 
The problem then, as a receiving application, is who to take as the
originator of the message.  This problem is compounded if we do the
suggested check of cert altSubjectName against the From: field.  Timestamps
are great so long as you can trust that the User has a good time source (and
has used it), and that all signers fill the field.

As far as I can see, the only way of preventing other users from appending
their signature after you have sent the message is to have a variant of
SignedData called LockedSignedData defined as follows:

LockedSignedData ::= SIGNED{ SignedData }

i.e. Take MSP's SequenceSignature approach and sign the SignedData ;-)

Darren

Darren Harter
CASM Programme Office,
Communications-Electronics Security Group
Cheltenham, UK