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Re: [smime] Inquiry on the usage of CAdES in S/MIME structures

2013-07-22 00:32:26
Hi Ayhan,

Please see my responses below. Hope it is useful for you.

Regards,
Bilal.

On 7/20/2013 3:33 PM, Ayhan Sehrin wrote:

Dear list Members,

As Verion Technology Group, a technology provider working on Registered E-Mail (REM) solutions since 2009, we are currently in the process of formulating a set of basic implementation principles and tools for REM Management Domain (MD)'s operative in Turkey. We need to resort to your experience and know-how on the subject of the S/MIME specification, and I was kindly prompted by Mr. Blake Ramsdell to address your list for further comments and insight.

The Registered E-Mail Regulatory Authority in Turkey has very recently mandated the use of the CAdES-A profile within the S/MIME structure and as we are a bit perplexed on the issue, we would like to inquire your comments on:

- whether it would be logical/feasible/meaningful to use the CAdES-A profile within an S/MIME structure (for some instances within the REM workflow CAdES-BES is also required)

Yes, It is possible according to the standard (RFC 3851 and ETSI TS 101 733 V1.8.1).

- whether the above usage would present difficulties/problems in terms of interoperability of systems (i.e. e-mail clients or BPM/ERP systems, where the messages are expected to be utilised - e.g. a REM message received is downloaded and then used as the input of a business process within a core banking component) especially as regards the subsequent verification process within these systems and among different REM Service Providers in Turkey and in Europe (as Turkey has opted in to the ETSI TS 102640).

If existing clients/applications has to generate or verify CAdES-A signatures then they need to update their implementations. Also existing clients/applications don't break if they have CAdES-A signature and don't want to process CAdES-A specific attributes. I don't think of any email client supporting CAdES-A signatures.

- whether, from a technical viewpoint, the implementation of an S/MIME structure with the usage of a CAdES signature presents a problem with the S/MIME RFC

I don't think so.

- whether the S/MIME RFC should be expected to natively accomodate CAdES profiles in the near future

There is a section in ETSI TS 101 733 V1.8.1 about how to use MIME in CAdES.


We would gladly provide more details on the ETSI 102640 implementation in Turkey, if it is of essense to the above inquiries.

We will be much obliged, should you be able to provide insight.

Thank you in advance and warm regards,


Ayhan S,EHRI.N
Man. Director
Verion Technology Group
Birlik Mah. 435. Cad. 403. Sok. No:3/3
Çankaya, Ankara - Turkey

+90 312 496 3316 <tel:%2B90%20312%20496%2033%2016> (office)
+90 533 556 3333 <tel:%2B90%20533%20556%203333> (mobile)

NB-REM implementation in Turkey in a tiny nutshell: In the typical REM implementation in Turkey, an original message is required to be signed with the sender's Qualified Electronic Signature, two out of the currently three REMSPs provide tools for constructing and signing the sender's S/MIME structure on the client, receive it over https (or over a web service for enterprise integration instances) to the REMSP servers. The third REMSP constructs the MIME message on its own server, hashes it an sends it for a CAdES signature to the sender's client. Evidence is produced by REMSPs during the mail acceptance, delivery and retrieval milestones and is expected to be stored in WORM storage or to be archived, XadES-A for evidence, CAdES-A for all system logs.





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