I don't think it violates the spirit of the IETF - but perhaps makes it less
open.
A membership requirement suppresses the ability to arbitrarily carbon-copy
messages into other mailing lists, which is a useful activity to move
open/move discussions around especially at an innovative collaborative edge
such as standards development and the IETF. Practically, most WG mailing
lists are closed - but you could implement group membership (i.e. read/write
membership to one list allows write membership to all others).
A membership requirement does not entirely solve some of the current
problems, where mail agents reject email and return replies - you need some
sort of classification scheme. A simple classification scheme could even be
implemented in your mailing tool - perhaps marking "established participants
and active threads" with a higher precedence than others, and sorting them
accordingly - you could then prioritise and manage incoming information with
greater ease. Maybe some mailing agents do this - mine doesn't.
Membership may be a good short term solution when other approaches are not
available though.
Matthew.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kory Hamzeh [mailto:kory(_at_)avatar(_dot_)com]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:26 PM
To: Gream, Matthew; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RE: Attachment Stripped in Transaction -- QoS/CoS to the
application layer
In a closed list, all a person has to do is to subscribe with a valid e-mail
address before they can post. Can you explain to me how that violates the
spirit of the IETF?
-----Original Message-----
From: Gream, Matthew [mailto:mgream(_at_)orchestream(_dot_)com]
Isn't it much better in the spirit of the IETF if the lists
remain open, but
a technical solution is used to prevent or reduce junk.
You could do this by introducing a signal-to-noise feature/classification
system and/or some sort of feedback/marking process.
Why not apply QoS/CoS to the application layer.
Matthew Gream
-----Original Message-----
From: Kory Hamzeh [mailto:kory(_at_)avatar(_dot_)com]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:39 AM
To: ned(_dot_)freed(_at_)mrochek(_dot_)com;
Valdis(_dot_)Kletnieks(_at_)vt(_dot_)edu
Cc: Lloyd Wood; Greg Minshall; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RE: Attachment Stripped in Transaction
Exactly. Much better rules are possible, and in fact much better
rules are in
wide use on other lists.
Many lists:
A.) Reject posts from non-members.
B.) Don't allow attachments.
They don't have any of these problems that seem to plague the mailing list
of the brightest minds of the Internet.
Kory
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