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Re: Last Call: CR-LDP Extensions for ASON to Informational]

2003-01-28 07:48:19
  Steve,

it appears to me that you decribes a situation that many of us we are very familiar with, most of us have sent -00.txt IDs to working groups, and have been met by a
complete lack of interest.
In retrospect I have to say that most of the time the wg was right - bad idea.

To bring work into the working group(s) you have to generate interest and discussion,
lack of interest signifies end of the road.

What you say is that you had (have) very little interest for the work you proposed, so under normal circumstances this would just have been dropped. Given current circumstances - with a great deal of interest elsewhere this came back again and again and we now even have the IESG taken a decision to approve work (that require
IETF consensus) on very shaky grounds.

For my part that is history! But it seems to me that putting the blame on the ietf
when one fail to create interest for a work is self-defeating.

What we need to do now is looking in to to things
- how codepoints for the (G)MPLS namespace are allocated and make certain that we have a "uniform" approach to this and common guidelines for the whole namespace - how wi handle requirements on extensions/changes in the protocols specified for (G)MPLS and come up with a process that guarantee that IETF acts correctly and timely when other organizations request such changes/extensions, but also that the IETF is in control of what is happening to the (G)MPLS and that such a process
 is accepted and used by parties asking for extensions/changes.

I sincerly hope to get your support for such a process, I'm working on a
-00.txt version and would hate to get into a "no response" siutation ;)

/Loa


Jerry,
Lets be clear on the timeline and what you consider to be "recent".
- The ASON requirements were communicated October 2001 -
  request for help from ccamp (no response)
- Analysis of ASON requirements against GMPLS protocols, identifying gaps,
  completed Febrary 2002 - request ccamp to help close gaps (no response)
- Proposals into ITU-T agreed about how to close gaps communicated May 2002, with request now to align the GMPLS documents with ITU-T work (again, no
  response)
- Final request for comments, October 2002, (again no response)










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