On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Tony Hain wrote:
Randy Bush wrote:
this assertion is false, or disingenuous at best.
backbone service providers are turning it on at great
pain, much of that pain due to lack of support from
large router vendors.
A few are working on lab efforts, and a very small number are offering
service. Even if the transit ISP's had full up support today, that doesn't
get the job done. The real issue is to convince the smaller ISP's that offer
service directly to the end user.
funny, i'm building a wireless version of that now, and ARIN seems to want
$2500 from me for an allocation.
you have been operating on that theory for many years and it has not
worked.
If one goes back to the origin of ngtrans, I was the one pushing hard to
make sure that dual stack was the priority, and that all of that was
specified before any solutions for corner cases. Even with dual stack as the
primary approach, many network managers are expressing reluctance because
they don't want to overlook the corner case that is important in their
network. Independent of that, app developers see no value in building code
for a network that they can't rely on working. It has only been recent work
with 6to4 & teredo creating the perception of an end-to-end (in this case it
only works at the end points) IPv6 network that has allowed apps to move
beyond what they can do with IPv4.
Bottom line, the end user doesn't know or care about IP or any version
issues. They type names, or click on links, and magic happens.
yep. as i said <http://www.ietf.org/> usually works pretty well.
So why shouldn't port 25 work?
It is our job to make that magic happen in more places, and as
transparently as possible.
no. it is the vendors' and operators' jobs.
Ok, it is our job to create the consistency so that vendors can create
products for operators to deploy and deliver services. In any case, just
having a deployment in a few backbone routers doesn't get the job done.
Tony
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