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Re: Impact from rfc1918 leaks

2003-10-11 02:37:30
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Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:

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|
| My argument was (is) that having RFC 1918 routes or packets escape
| doesn't add additional problems on top of the fundamental problem that
| routes or packets with the wrong addresses get out. Letting out wrong
| (non-RFC 1918) addresses hurts the legitimate holder of those addresses.
| With RFC 1918 addresses this isn't a problem.

In the DNS case this is incorrect. What happens is that you get a udp
packet with a return addr of 10.0.0.1 and not only don't you know what
to do with it so you have to throw it away but you can be sure of
getting the *same* query again, and again, and again, presumably from
the *same* client who can't figure out why the reply isn't coming back.

This happens in many protocols which are (contrary to popular belief)
deployed on the Internet today.

|
| I don't think another 10% load on the root nameservers is a huge deal,
| so I wouldn't use the word "harmful" but I guess this is a special case

Again. You'll have to ask the operators of the root-zone if they
consider 11-14% a big deal. Maybe some of them are listening....


| I read a report that only 2% of the hits on the root servers is both
| legitimate and useful anyway.

~From the presentation I refer to which unfortunately is in Swedish but
you can probably read the numbers anyway... :

http://www.iis.se/Internetdagarna/2003/23-robust-dns/id03-23-lars-johanliman.pdf

this is clearly not the case. The rfc1918-queries consistute the bulk
of bad queries ("DUMMA frågor" on page 4 of the presentation). I must
however confess ignorance as to what queries are 'useful'. Presumably
even the rfc1918-queries were deemed useful for someone since they
were sent in the first place.

        Cheers Leif



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